Round 5 v Eels - 3pm

[Chris M]

I know he isn't popular around here and there is no love lost between me and Ben Hunt but maybe he was onto something when he called for Gutho to be 5/8. Moving Gutho closer to the action might be just what the team needs. The spine definitely needs a shake up. Then Flanno could move Kyle to halfback if he doesn't want to drop him, and we all know he doesn't. Though I'm not sure what Gutho's kicking game is like. Unless it's pretty good, I don't see how Ilias can be dropped.

That would be my second choice after LKTs gets a few games with Ilias. Then moving Gutho. The dropping Ilias, Kyle halfback, LKT 5/8. I don't see how Glover can play first grade with the way he tackles.

 

[Morgan]

I actually thought he mightve been going that way when we signed him but he seems pretty firm with the system he's put in place and hes doing so much work it would be a full restructure, so I don't think he'll move Gutho. And to be honest if we can fix whatever this rubbish mentality is of defending leads for no reason and making errors that put us under heaps of pressure I think we'll be fine we just need to find some consistency as a team. Hoping this week won't give me Rabbitoh flashbacks again 50min into the game.

The problem is, the system he's pretty firm about isn't working. You know what they say about continuing to try something that isn't working?

 

[Chris M]

Nothing against him but youve been complaining for 12months about him regardless of how we play, righto. We didn't agree on anything because your incapable of any objective discussion, you've since decided to focus on TAs in a few comments as ammo even though (and its been discussed many times) our entire attacking structure is going through Gutho instead which is why he has 90% of the assists. Thats clearly the coaches game plan and we arent struggling to score points. I'm not bothering arguing about the dad comment again, since I last logged in you've made like 5 or 6 comments whinging about that trying to get an argument going and there's good reason no one replies its just negative, repetitive rubbish. The only thing I haven't figured out yet whether it's hate of Kyle or your LKTs manager but either way it's pathetic.

My comment is about the reserve halves discussion and that's all so dont twist my words. On form my opinion is Glover is miles ahead of LKT currently and if your going to change something (which I dont believe he will for a while anyway) I'd be injecting the live wire running playmaker thats been killing it, rather then replacing a like for like defensive based tackler that'll be doing the exact same role passing 1 out to Gutho/Holmes. I don't care if he plays 6 or 7 or with who but I think if your changing the halves, which is a big call, you want to inject something your missing, and yes his defence might be his let down but can be worked on.

Pretty sure I've told you this before. I've been complaining about Kyle for a little less than 12 months. Since the Origin period game against Penrith when Flanno was interviewed before the game, asked about Kyle taking on more responsibility he basically said "No, no, no, Jesse Marsheke will be doing all the playmaking, all the kicking, all the running." Then Kyle went on to have another shocker. It was since then all became clear.

 

[TheRev]

I think its errors and penalties.. I think were winning games by 20 if we stopped giving them the damn ball back with unforced errors (Sloan was diabolical).. gotta move those cats out of the squad where possible imo.. can forgive Klemmers 1 drop, maybe dont run at that speed into the teeth though.. its a risky play.

Defensively... if more sides start burning us like Parra did out wide in good conditions, then thats a different problem.. we defended brilliantly against the Storm in wet conditions though.

 

[Wild383]

The problem is, the system he's pretty firm about isn't working. You know what they say about continuing to try something that isn't working?

No I dont but I think its too soon to be changing key positions and I think the system itself is fine, we can score points (which noone said we'd be able to) and we've proved we can defend bloody well when we want to but its our errors and penalities are absolutely killing us. Like we won the Storm game on our defence but we still gifted them field position and had something stupid like 46 tackes inside our 20 purely from errors, it's ridiculous you cant win games like tha. No idea how to fix it but thats an overall team/confidence/communication issue which they need to sort out.

 

[Chris M]

I think its errors and penalties.. I think were winning games by 20 if we stopped giving them the damn ball back with unforced errors (Sloan was diabolical).. gotta move those cats out of the squad where possible imo.. can forgive Klemmers 1 drop, maybe dont run at that speed into the teeth though.. its a risky play.

Defensively... if more sides start burning us like Parra did out wide in good conditions, then thats a different problem.. we defended brilliantly against the Storm in wet conditions though.

Other teams are running for way more metres and we have a complete lack of creativity, playmaking in the halves and Ilias long kicking game is probably the worst of all the regular kickers in the competition. This is the main problem.

 

[Chris M]

No I dont but I think its too soon to be changing key positions and I think the system itself is fine, we can score points (which noone said we'd be able to) and we've proved we can defend bloody well when we want to but its our errors and penalities are absolutely killing us. Like we won the Storm game on our defence but we still gifted them field position and had something stupid like 46 tackes inside our 20 purely from errors, it's ridiculous you cant win games like tha. No idea how to fix it but thats an overall team/confidence/communication issue which they need to sort out.

Just wait a bit longer. Wait until Origin. Then when we have no one featuring and play a severely weakened team and win, we can just give it another 4 or 5 rounds. Then after that there is no use changing the spine because the season is over. We should give them time to play together to prepare for next season.

That's where you want to go with this, isn't it Caity?

 

[Morgan]

No I dont but I think its too soon to be changing key positions and I think the system itself is fine, we can score points (which noone said we'd be able to) and we've proved we can defend bloody well when we want to but its our errors and penalities are absolutely killing us. Like we won the Storm game on our defence but we still gifted them field position and had something stupid like 46 tackes inside our 20 purely from errors, it's ridiculous you cant win games like tha. No idea how to fix it but thats an overall team/confidence/communication issue which they need to sort out.

To try something over and over and expect a different result is the first sign of madness, or so they say.

I'm not in this whole Kyle or Ilias or LKT or Glover thing but I can hardly believe what I think is going to happen tomorrow and the same spine is named. It has to be shaken up.

A few options. Kyle to halfback and Ilias 5/8 is another idea. Not much but better than continuing to try something which isn't working.

 

[Wild383]

To try something over and over and expect a different result is the first sign of madness, or so they say.

I'm not in this whole Kyle or Ilias or LKT or Glover thing but I can hardly believe what I think is going to happen tomorrow and the same spine is named. It has to be shaken up.

Agree but its a balance and as I've said since pre-season a new halves pairing and a completely new attacking structure gets 6-8 weeks minimum in my books, to important and impactful to change when its not the main issue.

 

[Dave03]

Errors after restarts is a big issue. Changes all the momentum.

Re run meters & territory. We might be prioritising stopping line breaks compared to conceding run meters which means our line speed is slow, so we have a set line rather than a staggered line. I've probably fucked up the explanation lol. Our older players & less mobile players aren't going to be great with line speed regardless.

Lack of field position gets compounded due to a poor line speed, average long range kicker & Sloan in the back 5 who is average at best with yardage work. We need to have each of our back 5 players as good to elite with their yardage work imo. That's why I'm big on Finau replacing Sloan as he is quick but also has that yardage strength & potentially aerial threat too.

 

[Dave03]

Just wait a bit longer. Wait until Origin. Then when we have no one featuring and play a severely weakened team and win, we can just give it another 4 or 5 rounds. Then after that there is no use changing the spine because the season is over. We should give them time to play together to prepare for next season.

That's where you want to go with this, isn't it Caity?

Who is Caity? lol

 

[Morgan]

Errors after restarts is a big issue. Changes all the momentum.

Re run meters & territory. We might be prioritising stopping line breaks compared to conceding run meters which means our line speed is slow, so we have a set line rather than a staggered line. I've probably fucked up the explanation lol. Our older players & less mobile players aren't going to be great with line speed regardless.

Lack of field position gets compounded due to a poor line speed, average long range kicker & Sloan in the back 5 who is average at best with yardage work. We need to have each of our back 5 players as good to elite with their yardage work imo. That's why I'm big on Finau replacing Sloan as he is quick but also has that yardage strength & potentially aerial threat too.

Errors happen. Every team makes them. Other things you are describing sounds like we should be asking some serious questions about Flanno's coaching.

 

[Dave03]

I'd give the halves one more chance, more so about game management when defending a lead in the last 20 mins rather than general kicking. Illias is unfortunately the best we've got that will play 1st grade this year. He's average, has a few good kicks & a couple of shockers. I highly doubt Glover or LKT will be an improvement in that area.

 

[Wild383]

Who is Caity? lol

Ignore him he keeps throwing it out as an insult whenever someone disagrees, no idea what he means but im sure it's as stupid and childish as I expect coming from him. Better to block the clown.

 

[Dave03]

Errors happen. Every team makes them. Other things you are describing sounds like we should be asking some serious questions about Flanno's coaching.

Most teams don't have errors after restarts, rather than general errors which I agree with you. Other things are squad composition imo & some tactical stuff which is on the coaching staff. Our younger fwds are good with their line speed & defence which is a positive.

 

[Wild383]

Errors happen. Every team makes them. Other things you are describing sounds like we should be asking some serious questions about Flanno's coaching.

My big concern is that its been consistent for a few years now, hot and cold and cant seem to shake the big spells of errors. No idea what it is, possibly just a confidence thing I really dont know.

 

[Dave03]

Ignore him he keeps throwing it out as an insult whenever someone disagrees, no idea what he means but im sure it's as stupid and childish as I expect coming from him. Better to block the clown.

My rule is to block no one, I want to see different pov. Usually I get a good laugh out of it too. Although no need for name calling etc.

 

[Morgan]

Most teams don't have errors after restarts, rather than general errors which I agree with you. Other things are squad composition imo & some tactical stuff which is on the coaching staff. Our younger fwds are good with their line speed & defence which is a positive.

Every team makes errors all over the field. Holmes and Klemmer made bad ones but earlier in this thread I saw a comment which was true. The better team won. And we lost against a team missing by far it's best player. Lost against Souths missing their 3 best players, though I thought the better team lost that day. I'm not agreeing with any of these deluded comments from Flanno or from fans on various forums saying they are 'close'. They are diabolical, not 'close'!

 

[Wild383]

My rule is to block no one, I want to see different pov. Usually I get a good laugh out of it too. Although no need for name calling etc.

That was my rule as well until childish insults keep getting thrown into conversations, it's the 3rd time and he's completely incapable of having a discussion anyway. When your only contribution to everything is 'bUt HalVes Bad' and cant actually discuss anything else or any other points of view its just a waste of time, the laugh is amusing though.

 

[Chris M]

Ignore him he keeps throwing it out as an insult whenever someone disagrees, no idea what he means but im sure it's as stupid and childish as I expect coming from him. Better to block the clown.

Please just block him! It's only a matter of time until Kyle turns it around.
What is the insult? I think far from an insult, it's the sign of a loyal and dedicated wife.

My rule is to block no one, I want to see different pov. Usually I get a good laugh out of it too. Although no need for name calling etc.

Name calling? Is calling Caity, Caity name calling?

Hey D Dave03 yes or no question. If his dad wasn't the head coach, do you think Kyle would be playing first grade for the Dragons now?