GCRV
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Analysis = true
But he is so slight. I don't think he has much first grade in him. I guess that's what Wayne thinks as well or he wouldn't have recruited Glover despite having Humpherys signed.
Kyle Flanagan & the coach
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But he is so slight. I don't think he has much first grade in him. I guess that's what Wayne thinks as well or he wouldn't have recruited Glover despite having Humpherys signed.
RufusRex
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At least compare the correct players
Kerr is the klemmer replacement not JDB
Sele/Stewart stepping into the JDB role
Kerr averaged less min than klem last year but in a better front row rotation … in 25 min per game he averaged 9 runs at about 10 per run … if he can stretch out to 40 he is making very good metres for us
Sele when fit for those 3-4 games out performed JDB but the risk is injury … Stewart is the interesting one though
JDB was moved on for very good reasons most of all around whether we want him influencing our very good very naive players … he was dropping off in speed and effectiveness and that will continue this season …
Not having him there is very good for the players that will step into his role - beyond time to move him on
Kerr is the klemmer replacement not JDB
Sele/Stewart stepping into the JDB role
Kerr averaged less min than klem last year but in a better front row rotation … in 25 min per game he averaged 9 runs at about 10 per run … if he can stretch out to 40 he is making very good metres for us
Sele when fit for those 3-4 games out performed JDB but the risk is injury … Stewart is the interesting one though
JDB was moved on for very good reasons most of all around whether we want him influencing our very good very naive players … he was dropping off in speed and effectiveness and that will continue this season …
Not having him there is very good for the players that will step into his role - beyond time to move him on
TheRev
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Would hate to see our squad without Kerr.. even if he doesnt improve in his more senior role here... hes a proper first grader.. he was before he left also.. how many minutes he does is still TBD.. footy aside, hes also going to bring his sense of humour which I bet the squad really appreciates during tough times.
jodragon40
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To my old eyes we are a year away from being a competitive top 8 team. I worry about the age of our current spine moving forwards in relation to 1 and 9, very worried 6 and 7 need more than this season to gel. We will find out in the next 3 months
jodragon40
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As I said in another post loyalty is no longer a word spoken by either the players or clubs. Its a shame to me that he isn't a 1 club career player but that's the nature of the game these days
TheRev
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Not sure what they will do.. Sullivan is a mile in front of Glover/Ward in experience and they say he will be the Round 1 half with Humphries injury.. hes a good player.. he might not be perfect but has a strong squad.. I assume we will see him in the trial.
I dont rly see how Glover or Ward play, even if Walker is out they would play Wighton.. but I guess they will be the NSW Cup halves partnership initially and be there if called upon. Both got some talent.. but im not shattered that we let either go.. Sullivan I didnt mind though.. but he had some growing up to do at the time.
jodragon40
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Ho
I hope he has a few jokes up his sleeve
jodragon40
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Its called experience, in time with experience in 1sts you can gauge if a player has plateaued. This year will tell his tale.
Justadragon
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Whilst I tend to see your point Frank and agree somewhat, I have no doubt that if we have a poor start to the season he will be under pressure. And if we get flogged in Vegas there will be an uproar and the knives will be on notice. We gave Mcpeanut way too long, why he was there in the first place beats me.
Frank Facer
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Flanno hasn't had the cattle to make the top 8. We have been either favourites for the spoon or second favourites for the spoon ever since and before Flanno took over. Can't you see how many other coaches knocked us back? Doesn't that indicate we were not an attractive proposition for good coaches. We even advertised for coaching applicants and Young and Hornby were the only 2 who applied. As Phil Gould said, in his end of season review in 2019. Our problems were not the coach. He said we lacked leadership. Flanno identified that and signed Gutho, Cook and Holmes for leadership. We have got a new CEO and a new recruitment officer. I have also pointed out that teams such as Canberra, Newcastle, Nth Qld, Gold Coast and New Zealand have not been attractive destinations for in demand players. Let Flanno fix our mess and then let him have success, that no other decent prospective coaches wanted the job. It would be a shame for Flanno to lay the groundwork and then for someone else to come in and reap the rewards for his work.
Still no one can tell me who we should or could have signed to make our team stronger that would have come to play for us. Flanno took the job hardly anyone wanted and even I wouldn't have taken the job, because I thought it would have been coaching career suicide, like it was for the last 3 coaches who coached us. Flanno is the best coach we could have got and will prove it in the next few years.
Frank Facer
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Comparing us to Canterbury is completely laughable. Ciraldo was offered the job to coach us and knocked us back, like Ryles, Fitzgibbon and Slater did. Tell me what other clubs have been knocked by so many other aspiring coaches? Canterbury's recruitment has been the most aggressive in the comp over the last 4 years or so. They are becoming Easts like in their recruitment. Phil Gould getting his man, is becoming comparable to Politis always getting his man. Numerous players that we were competing for their signature with Canterbury all "chose" to sign with Canterbury, including Tracey, Thompson, Latu, Curran and Kikau. That isn't Shane Flannagan's fault and it isn't because Ciraldo is such an attraction to to prospective players. If I was an aspiring coach, I would definitely have taken the job at Canterbury and so would most other aspiring coaches have taken the job.
BTW Flanno almost achieved the "impossible" in his first year here and had us in the top 8 for most of the season. If we did make the top 8 in 24, it would have been a minor miracle. Flanno would have won coach of the year for sure. Bennett only won one more game than us last year, with a better roster and with a team who was decimated with injuries like we were last year. No one is saying Bennett is under pressure to keep his job and he still has a better roster than we do. If we did make the top 8 in 24, people's expectation would have been even more unreasonable.
Let Flanno get a decent roster to coach and then be judgmental.
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Frank Facer
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I want us to sign another top halfback or 5/8, maybe both. I can't recall seeing Kyle play 9 either and would be looking for other hookers who I have seen play hooker.
Frank Facer
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Even McGregor had us playing very well, when he finally had a good roster to coach. Then when we lost DeBelin, we lost out heart and backbone. I agree McGregor was given too long. Just remember even when we sacked McGregor, the only "applicants" we had for the job were Hornby, Young, David Furner and Griffin, with Fitzgibbon rejecting us.
This question if for everyone. If we didn't have Flanno coaching us, who else should we have got that actually would have taken the job? By next year, we will be looking like a more attractive proposition for aspiring coaches. Let Flanno reap the rewards for what he has sown. Also remember Dean Young looks to be positioned to be our next coach, if Flanno isn't our coach. Also remember we are the current favourites for the spoon again. That is because of our roster. When you look at our draw, does anyone look at any games and think they are easy ones?
Frank Facer
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Atkinson is probably the best halfback or 5/8 we could have signed, who changed clubs and was a chance of signing with us. I believe Cherry and Galvin had their future clubs already lined up, before any news of their exit was reported to the media. Pezet may have been a good signing, but Anasta probably didn't want him to go to us and he got the one year deal with Parra and then the long term deal with Brisbane. Remember Wests signed Luai for 1.2 mil a season. We got Atkinson for 500K a season. I am hoping Atkinson turns out to be a bargain and as good as Luai.
Frank Facer
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Acko is only on 500K a year. There are players who haven't even played first grade who are on that or more. He certainly isn't a highly paid half and allows us to sign a real "highly paid" half to play along side him or even 2 highly paid halves, if we could get 2 highly paid halves to sign with us.Big year for him. Is he going to be a highly paid half or a fringe first grade utility?
Frank Facer
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I wonder if Glover will be making comments in the media if he doesn't get game time at Souths? Souths don't have an established halfback and Walker is certainly running on old legs.
I also wonder if Anasta and Ilias will be making comments in the media if Ilias doesn't get game time at the Gold Coast? Especially if Campbell or Brimson get injured or Kini gets injured and Brimson is moved to fullback to cover for Kini.
Frank Facer
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To start the season we have
Canterbury at Vegas
Melbourne at Wollongong
Parra at Parra
Gold Coast at Gold Coast
Nth Qld at Kogarah
Manly at Wollongong
Souths at Homebush
Easts at the Football Stadium
Newy at Wollongong
Penrith as Brisbane
Warriors at Kogarah
How many of those games does anyone think we will start favourites in or are expected to win by non Saints fans. I keep saying put things into perspective. When we have a roster that we are "expected" to win games, then judge Flanno. Right now anything above last is exceeding bookies and non Saints fans expectations.
Canterbury at Vegas
Melbourne at Wollongong
Parra at Parra
Gold Coast at Gold Coast
Nth Qld at Kogarah
Manly at Wollongong
Souths at Homebush
Easts at the Football Stadium
Newy at Wollongong
Penrith as Brisbane
Warriors at Kogarah
How many of those games does anyone think we will start favourites in or are expected to win by non Saints fans. I keep saying put things into perspective. When we have a roster that we are "expected" to win games, then judge Flanno. Right now anything above last is exceeding bookies and non Saints fans expectations.
Frank Facer
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I will also add Bennett knocked us back in 2011, after winning the comp in 2010 and had us leading the comp in 2011. I think he has knocked us back on at least another 2 occasions since then.
We went went all in to sign Bellamy many years ago, and he knocked us back then.
We went went all in to sign Bellamy many years ago, and he knocked us back then.
Justadragon
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I hope you are right Frank , but the other side of the coin is no other club wanted Flanno either. I also do seem to recall that Flanno spent considerable time at the Dragons as an assistant and recruiting officer. What did we have to show for that period of time he was there?
Justadragon
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surely you cant compare Atkinson to Luai, a multi premiership winning 5/8 to a player who has been in 1st grade only because of injuries. I would think for Atkinson $500k was a damned good start. I hope Atkinson stars for us and I would have no problem in a contract upgrade, until then he is an unknown entity.