He will stay if asked. He bleeds red and white. But I have a nightmare. He goes to Easts. He plays wing and fullback between firsts and reserves. Teddy retires in two years. Cody follows him and proves to be the champion fullback we know he is. I wake up screaming.
2025 Season - The season that was
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GCRV
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Interesting idea. Makes sense. Kyle certainly works hard but unfortunately for him, trying hard only gets one so far. It's not just Kyle. I thought there were half a dozen players Flanno should've called out as well as LKT. Luciano for example. Suli doesn't really do much either. Gular, Klemmer weren't too bad but far from good. I'm a Gutho fan. He just needs a bit more help but around the time Holmes was out, Gutho's form nosedived.
Suli - 150rm, 1 try, 8 Try assist, 78 tackle breaks
Critta - 107rm, 3 tries, 12 Try assist, 47 tackle breaks - Dally M centre of the year
Not all centres are try scorers. Some are defensive, some are work horse types, some are try scorers. They all have different roles. Guler avg 70rm, Klemmer 100rm. Guler was bad compared to Klemmer, they aren't on the same level.
Justadragon
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Wow we should have got more bang for our buck with 78 tackle breaks
GCRV
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Did Suli average 150m a game or was that his best game? He does a lot of work. A lot of hit ups. But his line breaking ability, unimpressed with I am. Compared to the best centres.
Looking at NRL stats, Suli's total or average run metres wasn't in the top 50.
He's ok anyway. Just saying I don't understand Flanno singling out LKT like he did. Suli and a few others could've also been better.
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Suli averages 150 meters a game. Plus remember he missed the last month due injury. If he played those games and got his average then he finishes in the top 20 for meters gained.
Personally I love the bloke, an absolute beast and it’s noticeable when he is out how much punch we miss. Give the big man space and time to wind up and he would get more line breaks no doubt.
It’s like the old chestnut that he is a poor defender. Tackle efficiency at 93%, that’s bloody excellent. Suli is either loved or hated by supporters unfortunately.
That's his avg. He was 2rm (avg) less than the 50th ranked player on nrl.com which includes anyone who has played a game. Sure, he could've been better but he played his role effectively. Line break isn't his strength, running the ball & breaking tackles is his strength. I'd want players to play to their strengths.
I'd guess a lot of them were one out hitups coming from deep in our half. I doubt many of our players would be ready to capitalise on his tackle breaks in that location.
I think the issue is fans have a set idea of what each position requires, if you're an outside back then you must score tries otherwise you're no good. Ditto for props, it's only run meters. Rugby league has evolved to cater for roles irrespective of position. Suli is a proven strength & positive in our team, we need to build upon that. Get more players playing their role effectively which will improve everyone's stats.
His tackle breaks would be in our half but if we had other players who got us better field position through kicking &/or yardage then suddenly those tackle breaks occur more often in the oppo half. This would allow us to capitalise on those tackle breaks more effectively.
Look at Francis Molo, I think he averaged roughly 20rm more with the Dolphins than he did with us. A big reason would be playing with better players who generate quicker play the balls &/or get him more opportunities to run 1v1 against the defender. In our team, frankly our past players have been below avg which limited his impact too.
It's all a knock on effect, I think with our youngsters coming through it'll improve stats of players like Suli in the future. Mainly because they're better footy players than those we've had in the past few years. One area where Suli can improve on in the off-season is his passing & offload which would improve on his try assist stats & make us more dangerous in attack.
GCRV
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I'm not a critic or a fan. I think he's ok but not more. I like centres to break the line and set up tries, not just run hard and make metres. But running hard and making metres are useful qualities. I just don't get the way Flanno singled out LKT like that. Maybe I was wrong to say Suli could have copped it as well but Luciano and Kyle most defintely could have. They are the opposite. Luciano is very talented but looks fat and lazy and Kyle has no talent but busts his gut.
Fair enough. I prefer centres who break the line to those who run hard and make metres but there is a place for both kinds. If we had better forwards there would be less need for Suli to run hard and make metres.
Dragons Chris
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Suli is one of our best. Or has been the last 2 years. But he's at an age and been around long enough now that his passing isn't going to significantly improve.
Morgan
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The longer it goes on without any announcement makes me think he's rejected the Dragons initial offer.
Lets keep it in perspective anyway. He had a good year in reserve grade. Typically due to his age and medical history, that would make him at best average in first grade. I hope he stays but if not, not a big deal.
Dragon David
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I think that while Flanno and the rest of the coaching staff and Anderson would know better than most of us on how Ramsey is travelling with his medical condition and stamina etc., if they are only willing to offer him in the first place a train and trial one year deal it shows that they are not confident of his overall capacity to complete another year of footy. But if he stays by accepting this train and trial deal, I think that the Dragons should play him in first grade for at least half a game for a few games to see how he goes. If he agrees to stay and he doesn't get a chance to play first grade then we will never know if he would have been any good for us and then goes elsewhere and kills it.
Fully fit, I think that he would be better than Gutho at fullback, but the likelihood of him being in tip top condition throughout the year to be the fullback is subjective and uncertain, but still I would like to see him develop and play again in first grade with us.
Morgan
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Well said. Agree completely. If he leaves, I wish him well, just not against us. If he had stayed healthy and continued to pack on the kgs so he was in the mid 90 kgs now, very much doubt we'd have seen a need to recruit Gutho.
RedV01
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Unpopular opinion warning:
Flanno, Deano, Ennis, Ando would prefer he didn't take up the offer the Dragons have on the table. He's done a remarkable job to get back to where he has but those 4 don't think he can go any further. Basically, no one wants to be the one to shoot Bambi.
Ryan
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His form impressivly got better as the year went on, when he only came back several rounds into the season.Unpopular opinion warning:
Flanno, Deano, Ennis, Ando would prefer he didn't take up the offer the Dragons have on the table. He's done a remarkable job to get back to where he has but those 4 don't think he can go any further. Basically, no one wants to be the one to shoot Bambi.
But I trust Flanno and etc know what's going on much better than us.
Justadragon
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ok i've got a couple of thoughts here, Who wears the can if he plays NRL and gets injured bad(hope that does not happen)the club does. Who wears the can if we let him go and he kills it somewhere else, the club does. No win situation for the Dragons, I think its appropriate what they have offered and no doubt he will get time in firsts, and it will settle it once and for all. If Gutho gets injured and Ramsay cant perform at that level, well we still have Val or maybe a smokey TPH
Ryan
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With you 100% on that. Either way it's going to be a gamble but I think the club throwing a few chips on the table, not a lot is the right move.ok i've got a couple of thoughts here, Who wears the can if he plays NRL and gets injured bad(hope that does not happen)the club does. Who wears the can if we let him go and he kills it somewhere else, the club does. No win situation for the Dragons, I think its appropriate what they have offered and no doubt he will get time in firsts, and it will settle it once and for all. If Gutho gets injured and Ramsay cant perform at that level, well we still have Val or maybe a smokey TPH
No Surrender
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Injuries to so many great juniors killed any chance we had to compete.
We are 2-3 top players away from completing for a top 6 spot
We are 2-3 top players away from completing for a top 6 spot