Hard to argue mate, pretty spot on overall
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Dragon David
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Gee really slim pickings
jodragon40. So much more to clean out of the joint with respect to the players and coaches. Many players have been tapped and with them eventually gone, the rebuild will happen again and will it be with a new coach? The plot thickens!
Eric
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I just want to point out that Dean Young's record as an assistant and as a caretaker isn't very good. Ben Hornby has a much better record.
RufusRex
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Yes, however, Hornby's "success" as a caretaker was very squad dependant. When he copped injuries and was only able to select planks the results suffered.
Neither have any real demonstrated success as a head coach, but with the talent pool of head coaches ever dwindling it is inevitable.
jodragon40
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Who is the big questionGee really slim pickings
Illusion
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Agree with every thing you have said here totally ........ Do they see what we see , or is the boys club mates rates thing still going on ......... ?
RufusRex
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There is an inevitability to the spoon unless squad spots 29/30 are top tier outside backs ...
The injuries/depth and crap we have in the squad has put pay to that ...
Has a team ever gone spoon to premiers ;-)
There is an inevitability to the spoon unless squad spots 29/30 are top tier outside backs ...
The injuries/depth and crap we have in the squad has put pay to that ...
Has a team ever gone spoon to premiers ;-)
Dragon David
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It has to be someone really capable of getting good results. We cannot afford to have someone who only brings about a couple of wins followed by 4 or more losses.
The cupboard does not contain rich chocolate cake but just plain ol' crackers at the moment.
The Club has fiddled and arsed about like they always have and it then leaves us with the crumbs and further years of suffering indigestion.
We could have the talent that we want but they might be given poor instructions to perform well.
I am hoping for the best outcome though.
Dragon David
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Yes in the old league comp.
Wests Magpies Spooners in 1933 and then premiers in 1934.
The Roosters in modern times nearly did it. Spooners then grand final but got beaten by us. Roosters Spooners 2009 then grand final in 2010 beaten by us yaaaah.
Eric
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Seems a bit much to expect a premiership next year but pretty confident there'll be massive improvement.
Zen
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Roosters went from the spoon in 2009 to leading 8-6 at half time in the 2010 grand final. We all know what happened in that second half babyyyyyyyy
jodragon40
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Is there any truth in the rumours Peter Doust is leaving? Please say it is
Illusion
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That would be a step in the right direction , then more need to follow .......
jodragon40
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Absolutely agree
AyiosYiorgos
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As McGregor would say Roosters 40 minutes from a premiership
Dean Young is clearly not a top level coach. If he was we would have seen major changes already irrespective of "the cattle". I'm not saying we would've gone on a run like Manly but really good coaches tend to make very clear changes in the trajectory of even a poor team.
My concern is they fumble around with this decision, end up giving him next year with strict conditions blah blah to give him the opportunity to work with the new players who are going to take us to the promised land. This is simply idiotic and smacks of the same nepotism and old boys network that has hung around us for far too long and clouded all of the important appointments. Having a new coach in now and giving them a run at the team and systems for the rest of the year and then working with the new players in pre-season would've been the best move.
In terms of who would be the best fit I agree there is noone obvious in the current first grade head coach area. But everyone had to start somewhere so I'm positive that if we set up a team to trawl through every single NRL system in terms of existing NRL assistant coaches and potentially NSW Cup options we would be able to identify a strong list of high quality progressive young coaches who could take us forward. I hate the fact that Young is being given a chance simply because he is an ex-player and his father is a Director. We should have already selected our candidates by now and be at interview stage.
My concern is they fumble around with this decision, end up giving him next year with strict conditions blah blah to give him the opportunity to work with the new players who are going to take us to the promised land. This is simply idiotic and smacks of the same nepotism and old boys network that has hung around us for far too long and clouded all of the important appointments. Having a new coach in now and giving them a run at the team and systems for the rest of the year and then working with the new players in pre-season would've been the best move.
In terms of who would be the best fit I agree there is noone obvious in the current first grade head coach area. But everyone had to start somewhere so I'm positive that if we set up a team to trawl through every single NRL system in terms of existing NRL assistant coaches and potentially NSW Cup options we would be able to identify a strong list of high quality progressive young coaches who could take us forward. I hate the fact that Young is being given a chance simply because he is an ex-player and his father is a Director. We should have already selected our candidates by now and be at interview stage.
RufusRex
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with everything it is somewhere in the middle
Young has tried some things - Reed/LKT were given opportunities (not taken), as was LPT (taken) .. he is not able to magically make outside backs materialise in the squad and that is where our problem is ... Yes Kerr/Lawrie are meh but they are not the ones causing us to lose games - it is the backline.
The big questions right now on why havent you done anything different are Luc/Jake. Plenty of discussion on these two players in the context of the team.
We say Webster and Hutch have great numbers in Cup and deserve a chance, Lawrie and Sele also generate those numbers in cup - it is an inferior competition.
When Bennett first took over in 2009, there was an absolute focus on trying to get the defense right. We have a massive issue there and the main culprits are Holmes, Suli and our wingers outside them. Suli is out the door, Holmes tapped as well however contract means we will have to hold him. Holmes having zero faith in his inside creates easy scoring opportunities for outside wing as he creates overlaps for the opposition - this was so evident vs the scum. Has Young tried to correct? no idea but we have no option really but to play holmes there. Sloan could come in but his defence is just as bad. The outside backs in reserves last week were Pring/Kirk/Pecker/Nick (for 40) and Andrews .. there is not a lot there given Nick coming back from injury.
There are no strings to pull to correct the mess 1-5 unless we can bring someone in from outside the club into spots 29/30
Do i think Young is the right man for the job - No
Do i think that Young has a squad that he can actually get better results from - Also No.
Do i think Young has tried to change things - Yes
There was an interesting read in Bucky's first game back (gold coast?) .. He made a defensive decision that looked god awful but if the rest of the defensive line moved with him perhaps it wasnt a bad decision just bad connection.
The change in squad next year can not come soon enough.
Young has tried some things - Reed/LKT were given opportunities (not taken), as was LPT (taken) .. he is not able to magically make outside backs materialise in the squad and that is where our problem is ... Yes Kerr/Lawrie are meh but they are not the ones causing us to lose games - it is the backline.
The big questions right now on why havent you done anything different are Luc/Jake. Plenty of discussion on these two players in the context of the team.
We say Webster and Hutch have great numbers in Cup and deserve a chance, Lawrie and Sele also generate those numbers in cup - it is an inferior competition.
When Bennett first took over in 2009, there was an absolute focus on trying to get the defense right. We have a massive issue there and the main culprits are Holmes, Suli and our wingers outside them. Suli is out the door, Holmes tapped as well however contract means we will have to hold him. Holmes having zero faith in his inside creates easy scoring opportunities for outside wing as he creates overlaps for the opposition - this was so evident vs the scum. Has Young tried to correct? no idea but we have no option really but to play holmes there. Sloan could come in but his defence is just as bad. The outside backs in reserves last week were Pring/Kirk/Pecker/Nick (for 40) and Andrews .. there is not a lot there given Nick coming back from injury.
There are no strings to pull to correct the mess 1-5 unless we can bring someone in from outside the club into spots 29/30
Do i think Young is the right man for the job - No
Do i think that Young has a squad that he can actually get better results from - Also No.
Do i think Young has tried to change things - Yes
There was an interesting read in Bucky's first game back (gold coast?) .. He made a defensive decision that looked god awful but if the rest of the defensive line moved with him perhaps it wasnt a bad decision just bad connection.
The change in squad next year can not come soon enough.
Dragon David
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Yes, well said and put The Word. This procrastination crap keeps happening every time. Even before Flanno was shafted, the Board should have had weeks prior to the shafting to look at all prospects and list them in order of preference and once he did get shafted, started the interviews of the preferred candidates. Deano of course would have been one of the candidates and he would continue to be the interim coach, but as soon as the "preferred" coach was agreed upon by the Board then all steps should be taken to secure that person, if not Deano, and have him brought to the club (if his current club allows him of course) for the rest of the year and then have a full off season to gel and work out strengths and weaknesses with the players and who should be in what positions and train accordingly.
To me it appears it is all set up for Deano to be #1 head coach. I honestly don't think that anyone else is even being considered given the current list of possibles. The one big advantage is that Deano is devoted to the Dragons and he bleeds for the RED V and he will always be there to do what ever he can to bring long lasting success. But is that enough?
I hear what you're saying Rufus and yes clearly our backs and some of our forward have been terrible this year and in fact for years we have underperformed as a team. But I have seen so many instances of new coaches coming into a team where the fans were ready to sack every single player because of the way they've been playing and suddenly improve things. I'm not saying win games by big margins but actually see meaningful changes across the pitch because of the coaching ideas he gives them on the training field, the systems and structures he puts in place, the confidence he gives them, the positions he plays them and the players he selects from the whole squad. I've seen disjointed and hopeless looking squads suddenly become more organised, more cohesive, more motivated. I've seen hopeless looking players improve 100%. And I've seen this happen across NRL, AFL, EPL, NBA and the list goes on. I don't see that at all with Young despite the Broncos win. We look as inept and bereft of ideas as we did under Flanagan. If it wasn't for the Couchman twins we would be in an absolute world of pain.
Yes we need a better squad and that finally looks to be happening but quality coaching can make a world of difference. The head coach is the most important position at any professional sports club in my opinion and needs to be sorted urgently.
On a side note the club basically trying to make all the signings before a permanent coach arrives doesn't make sense to me. I get that some of our previous coaches were poor recruiters but imagine trying to appoint Bennett back in the day and telling him that no he's not allowed to recruit Darius Boyd, Costigan, Weyman, Jeremy Smith. DA is doing a great job but getting a new coach in quick and letting them have a say in who is at the club for the next couple of years is important.
Just my thoughts and I absolutely respect other peoples opinion on these matters. We're all keen to see the club move forward and I see this as a healthy debate as to the best way to do that. I think the reason for the strength of feeling here is because we appear to be at a pivotal moment of change and we are desperately hoping the club gets it right otherwise another few years of awful football awaits. Bad coaches can make good players look bad.
Yes we need a better squad and that finally looks to be happening but quality coaching can make a world of difference. The head coach is the most important position at any professional sports club in my opinion and needs to be sorted urgently.
On a side note the club basically trying to make all the signings before a permanent coach arrives doesn't make sense to me. I get that some of our previous coaches were poor recruiters but imagine trying to appoint Bennett back in the day and telling him that no he's not allowed to recruit Darius Boyd, Costigan, Weyman, Jeremy Smith. DA is doing a great job but getting a new coach in quick and letting them have a say in who is at the club for the next couple of years is important.
Just my thoughts and I absolutely respect other peoples opinion on these matters. We're all keen to see the club move forward and I see this as a healthy debate as to the best way to do that. I think the reason for the strength of feeling here is because we appear to be at a pivotal moment of change and we are desperately hoping the club gets it right otherwise another few years of awful football awaits. Bad coaches can make good players look bad.
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