Kyle Flanagan & the coach

Justadragon

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Hasler had already agreed to terms at the Titans.
Ok, I know Flanno got extended, but do you think if the Dragons are getting crunched by lets say mid season that Flanno could be in trouble regardless of the extension. My thoughts are yes he will be. I suppose there are excuses for the last 2 years but what really happens this year ? I hope we progress but finishing bottom 4 will be a bitter pill to swallow waiting for 27 to magically turn us into a top 8 side.
 

Dragons Chris

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Ok, I know Flanno got extended, but do you think if the Dragons are getting crunched by lets say mid season that Flanno could be in trouble regardless of the extension. My thoughts are yes he will be. I suppose there are excuses for the last 2 years but what really happens this year ? I hope we progress but finishing bottom 4 will be a bitter pill to swallow waiting for 27 to magically turn us into a top 8 side.
If he isn't, he should be.

As I said, this is Flanno's team. I said only Blocka wasn't signed or extended by him. Have to change. Only Blocka and Sloan.
 
Ok, I know Flanno got extended, but do you think if the Dragons are getting crunched by lets say mid season that Flanno could be in trouble regardless of the extension. My thoughts are yes he will be. I suppose there are excuses for the last 2 years but what really happens this year ? I hope we progress but finishing bottom 4 will be a bitter pill to swallow waiting for 27 to magically turn us into a top 8 side.
No, you have to look at the big picture the club won't be paying out his contract.
 

RedV01

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I think the question you are asking is pretty much a loaded question mate, my personal opinion is everyone expects KF to be dropped if he is not cutting it.
The fans are not willing to accept mediocrity, the people running the club are, and yes we all realise by the comments made by certain individuals that the coach has a vested interest in the matter, no argument from me.
As I have said before and maybe its way overdue but the media and even the club CEO/board are onto it now, there is no hiding, there are no more excuses. One way or another Flanno will be forced to move KF out of there and possibly LKT or Oneill will be there, if they are firing in ressies. So as long as the boys are killing it in ressies the pressure is on and will be for the whole season. We just have to wait to see how they go and what our pack can provide for the halves.
We also have to be humble enough to say well done if KF and Atkinson are actually going well.
Fair opinion. But sorry in advance for losing it if we are not bad but mediocre and Flanno continues to pick KF.
 

RedV01

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Wow, Thurston had a brilliant football brain
No sir. He might have had a good footy brain but he was so good cause he took the ball in both hands right to the line. Defenders had no idea if he was going to run, kick, pass short, pass long, pass back inside.

LKT obviously isn't there but he took the ball right to the line in both hands and set up a few tries doing that. Not bad for a 19~20 year-old behind a pack usually on the back foot.
 
No sir. He might have had a good footy brain but he was so good cause he took the ball in both hands right to the line. Defenders had no idea if he was going to run, kick, pass short, pass long, pass back inside.

LKT obviously isn't there but he took the ball right to the line in both hands and set up a few tries doing that. Not bad for a 19~20 year-old behind a pack usually on the back foot.
I meant the comparison not the playing style. Thurston learnt his trade very well, as he developed, he developed his bag of tricks akin to Benji Marshall.

Thurston placed an individual player in the defensive line in two minds and once you hesitate in 1st grade your beaten.

LKT as I said is not a lost cause, not by far but he needs time to develop, balance his weaknesses against his strengths. Time is on his side.
 

RedV01

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I meant the comparison not the playing style. Thurston learnt his trade very well, as he developed, he developed his bag of tricks akin to Benji Marshall.

Thurston placed an individual player in the defensive line in two minds and once you hesitate in 1st grade your beaten.

LKT as I said is not a lost cause, not by far but he needs time to develop, balance his weaknesses against his strengths. Time is on his side.
Sir, do you honestly believe we are going to have success with Mr. Kyle Flanagan in the halves? Unless he gets much better but he is 28.
 

Dragon David

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What gets me is that both the Roosters and the Bulldogs had signed KF up as a halfback on what their respective coaches and recruitment staff saw of him. Those clubs realised that KF just could not cut it in first grade and they most probably were glad that they got rid of him. To me it is obvious that when SF signed to coach the Dragons, one of the conditions was to bring KF to the Dragons as the #14 as at the time we had Hunt and Amone as our halves and as a father, SF thought that as the Bulldogs were not giving KF much game time, bringing him to the Dragons was in his mind, the right thing to do.

We know that Amone was stood down in 2024 because of his "hammer" incident and so KF was then put in the #6 position to partner Hunt that year. In my opinion KF went not terrifically but ok and I was bloody angry that he was suspended in the last 4 games of 2024 because of that idiot Chricton of the Dogs putting his big snozz into KF's mouth. 2025 unfortunately as the #7 KF just lacked so much - no speed, no breaks, poor kicking etc etc. defence ok which was more of his strength than attack. So as the #6 planned for him to start in 2026 he might be ok partnering Atkinson so I am prepared to see how this pans out soon and hope that it will be a good combination.
 

Dragons Chris

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What gets me is that both the Roosters and the Bulldogs had signed KF up as a halfback on what their respective coaches and recruitment staff saw of him. Those clubs realised that KF just could not cut it in first grade and they most probably were glad that they got rid of him. To me it is obvious that when SF signed to coach the Dragons, one of the conditions was to bring KF to the Dragons as the #14 as at the time we had Hunt and Amone as our halves and as a father, SF thought that as the Bulldogs were not giving KF much game time, bringing him to the Dragons was in his mind, the right thing to do.

We know that Amone was stood down in 2024 because of his "hammer" incident and so KF was then put in the #6 position to partner Hunt that year. In my opinion KF went not terrifically but ok and I was bloody angry that he was suspended in the last 4 games of 2024 because of that idiot Chricton of the Dogs putting his big snozz into KF's mouth. 2025 unfortunately as the #7 KF just lacked so much - no speed, no breaks, poor kicking etc etc. defence ok which was more of his strength than attack. So as the #6 planned for him to start in 2026 he might be ok partnering Atkinson so I am prepared to see how this pans out soon and hope that it will be a good combination.
I don't think Kyle was ok in 2024. He had something like 4 try assists for the entire year. I remember looking at the stat late in the year and saw he had the same number of try assists for the year as the Tigers 18 year-old 5/8 had in a single game.
 

Dragon David

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I don't think Kyle was ok in 2024. He had something like 4 try assists for the entire year. I remember looking at the stat late in the year and saw he had the same number of try assists for the year as the Tigers 18 year-old 5/8 had in a single game.
I wont argue with you as I don't read stats Chris. If those figures are correct it shows that his attacking skills are not great which we saw again in 2025. So no improvement and possibly worse last season. To me it is up to LKT to prove that he is better than KF by killing it in Ressies while KF flounders again in firsts which won't be pleasing for us fans who want to see wins virtually from the first several games.

But in saying this, the trials should be used to gauge this before the actual comp starts so that we have the best combo in the halves from the get go of the comp and no favouritism given to any of them (including Atkinson).
 

Dragons Chris

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Coaches Safety Ratings​

DRAGONS

-Michael Carayannis

Shane Flanagan re-signed for a further two seasons last year keeping him at the club until at least the end of 2028. Is under no pressure to start the season but still needs to have the club pushing for a finals finish. If he doesn’t then the heat will be applied heading into 2027 but the club have shown they are backing Flanagan long-term.

Rating: A

Flanno's old friends from News LTD again. I think if we start the year poorly, he's going to be under a lot of pressure after the Origin period if things haven't turned around.
 

Dragon David

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Coaches Safety Ratings​

DRAGONS

-Michael Carayannis

Shane Flanagan re-signed for a further two seasons last year keeping him at the club until at least the end of 2028. Is under no pressure to start the season but still needs to have the club pushing for a finals finish. If he doesn’t then the heat will be applied heading into 2027 but the club have shown they are backing Flanagan long-term.

Rating: A

Flanno's old friends from News LTD again. I think if we start the year poorly, he's going to be under a lot of pressure after the Origin period if things haven't turned around.
If Flanno has an indifferent 14 games in 2026 I hope that Tim Watsford seeks reasons why and if Flanno comes up with plausible answers then the likelihood of him being cut short of his contract term is nil. If his answers are not good then he could be put on notice as he would have had 2 and a half seasons of poor results irrespective of excuses like injuries etc. Only my thoughts but in all likelihood Shane will manage to see out his contract and hopefully have it extended on the basis that he is on a long winning roll.
 

RedVHeartbeat

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If the forwards can consistently make the advantage line
Gotta say it as it is, minus our long time talisman and no KK we have a weaker starting engine room than last yr. Wacco we dump Jack for Kerr who we dumped yrs back. He'd better be a step up from his lazy first outing with us. The one positive is the Couchies, be bigger, more physical and hopefully even more skillful. Toby was a stand out in our pack in '25.
 
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Dragons Chris

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The people who are saying kyle is only in FG because of dad are either dumb, ignorant or just dont get RL. The minute cook retires KF will be moving to 9/14. Right now kyle is the second best half in the club behind atkinson, why would you put someone else there who isnt better than him?
No doubt Kyle is only in the top 30, let alone first grade, because of his dad. He was off contract, playing #14 in the Dogs reserve grade team when Flanno was announced as our coach and the first thing he did was sign Kyle. No other club was interested.

I certainly hope Atkinson is good. I've only seen him play once, maybe twice. Wasn't really impressed but with a new start and in his prime, he might be good.

Other than that, what makes anyone think Kyle would be a good hooker? But this idea is the main problem that has existed since Flanno took over. It really seems he's been managing the roster with a eye to fitting Kyle in wherever he can. There was the rumour, I think Liddle said it himself, that Flanno doesn't want to re-sign him because he wants Kyle to play at 14. Then the CEO intervened, disregarded Flanno's opinion and re-signed Liddle.
 

Edward

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I'm not getting into the argument but I just want to say, it'll be so good when the team is playing well and winning or Kyle is no longer in the team.
 

Morgan

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Gotta say it as it is, minus our long time talisman and no KK we have a weaker starting engine room than last yr. Wacco we dump Jack for Kerr who we dumped yrs back. He'd better be a step up from his lazy first outing with us. The one positive is the Couchies, be bigger, more physical and hopefully even more skillful. Toby was a stand out in our pack in '25.
Recruit Kerr and let JDB go. That'll do me. You know they say, 'The night is darkest just before the dawn.' Recruiting Kerr and letting JDB go was the darkest of the long night.
 

Dragon David

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Recruit Kerr and let JDB go. That'll do me. You know they say, 'The night is darkest just before the dawn.' Recruiting Kerr and letting JDB go was the darkest of the long night.
Has anyone, including JDB, give any real reason why they let JDB go and not give him at least another year (maybe JDB wanted 2 years - I can't remember)?
 

Morgan

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Has anyone, including JDB, give any real reason why they let JDB go and not give him at least another year (maybe JDB wanted 2 years - I can't remember)?
He wanted 2, Parra got him for 1 with a club option for a second. Obviously we could have got the same deal.

I understand Stewart is now the No.1 lock but JDB is much better than Kerr as a prop.
 
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