Frank Facer
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I thought we should have only signed Gutho for 2 years at the max and that was only because we couldn't sign anyone else better.
Kyle Flanagan & the coach
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GCRV
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I was in favour of sighing but only for 2 years or with a club option for a 3rd. He's fading fast. Shouldn't have signed him.
Frank Facer
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If we didn't have Flanno as coach, it would have been Dean Young's or Ben Hornby's 3rd year. Do you think we would have done any better with either of them and been better positioned for next year with either of them or would the fans be calling for them to be sacked by now? It was always going to be a tough 3 years at least when Flanno took over. Anyway, if Flanno is to be sacked early. All the mail suggest Dean Young will finally get to be our first grade coach.
Mailroomsgi
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I’m over the Gutho chat, he’s washed now and it’s well established 3 years was way too long
We have a coach that won’t sign players he hasn’t heard of or aren’t well established in first grade
He would have shuddered at the thought of signing Kaeo Weekes when he was being misused at manly
We have a coach that won’t sign players he hasn’t heard of or aren’t well established in first grade
He would have shuddered at the thought of signing Kaeo Weekes when he was being misused at manly
Frank Facer
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I am wondering if Flanno didn't pick Reed, because if Reed did perform really good, he would have to keep him there and that would be the end of Kyle's first grade career? So he picked King Togia instead.
Frank Facer
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It has pretty much been that way, since Steve Price coached us. He was reluctant to play youngsters. I remember his saying something along the lines of a softly softly approach with youngsters. I think it may have had something to do with Bennett's influence. Bennett didn't blood many juniors when he coached us. The only 2 I remember he blooding were Merrin and Kyle Stanley. Stanley had massive wraps on him, but never got a chance to play 5/8, except one game last round of the season, when Bennett rested pretty much the whole first grade team. Jack Debelin should have been playing regular first grade when Price was coach, but he held him back. Bennett also made the famous remark saying get the defence right and the attack will come. That has been a mantra at our club ever since Bennett took over and our attack has always been lacking ever since, maybe except for 2018.
DragonMike
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If it wasn't Flanno, we wouldn't have Kyle and in all likelihood would have signed one of the halves that have become available in that time.
Frank Facer
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Who? Most players we try to sign, knock us back and that has been the case since at least 2012. Who do you think Dean Young or Ben Hornby would have signed to play in the halves? We have been surviving on other clubs off cuts since at least 2012. How many in demand players who were not let go early by their current clubs have we signed since 2011 or more precise, who, besides Koloamatangi and possibly Ben Hunt or Gareth Widdop?
GCRV
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And there have been many.
GCRV
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Not many teams sign big names. They don't become available very often. Good coaches identify young players before anyone has heard of them and they become big names.
RufusRex
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bad coaches ignore the talented juniors in their club in favour of vanilla boring trash they signed and ruin the present and the future.
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Frank Facer
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Off the top of my heaed, since Crowe and Holmes A Court bought Souths, they have signed Asotasi, Sam Burgess, Inglis, Mitchell, Wighton, Fifita, Brandon Smith and Haas. That is an impressive list.
How about Easts. Brandon Smith, Reece Robson, Joseph Sua'ali for massive money, who was contracted to Souths and had massive wraps on him. Angus Crichton, David Fifita who backflipped, Cherry Evans, Luke Keary, Cronk, Dom Young, Fletcher, Brett Morris, Maloney, Sonny Bill Williams, Warrea Havgraves, who had massive wraps him at Manly and who wanted to keep him.
Canterbury Tony Williams, Brett Morris, Burton, Crichton, Galvin, Leo Thompson, Kikau, Foran, James Graham, Pangai Junior
In the 80's and 90's when Manly were a big name club, they used to sign heaps of big money players and were usually a top 4 team.
I have a saying, if you can't compete off the field, you can't compete on the field. That has been our predicament, since 2012.
GCRV
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And which of those were Dragons in the market for? Which big names has Penrith signed for example?
Justadragon
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Tend to somewhat agree but at some stage if your leaders are underperforming and being embarrassed, then they have to be called out.
Dave03
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Punting Flanno is also an admission by the board etc they got his extension wrong. Will they do that? I doubt it.
Frank Facer
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Which ones do you think would have signed with us? I heard we were in the market for Luke Keary and Cherry Evans and we almost signed Kikau, but changed the amount of the deal at the last minute and he then went to Canterbury.
Penrith haven't signed many big name or in demand players that I can think of. The only one I can think of who could fit the bill was Merrin. They did sign Soward, but I don't think he was in demand.
GCRV
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I don't go into hypotheticals though if we were paying overs, I think several. In hindsight, should have payed overs for a few of them. It's also not as if our last 4 coaches, including this one, have had a lot of pulling power.