Recruitment and Retention for 2026

Justadragon

SGI NSW Cup
I like the idea of a draft also Justadragon but with one small modification. Club juniors should be permitted to join their senior club (provided the senior club is in agreement) and avoid going through the draft process.
Can see your point George, but that would still hamper the spreading of talent. If you look at the way it works and you are a team that is consistently top 4 ie Melb, then your elite juniors are not going to get much of a chance breaking into that side, may as well go to a side that finished bottom 4 and is struggling, ie Dragons
 

Eric

Staff
Can see your point George, but that would still hamper the spreading of talent. If you look at the way it works and you are a team that is consistently top 4 ie Melb, then your elite juniors are not going to get much of a chance breaking into that side, may as well go to a side that finished bottom 4 and is struggling, ie Dragons
Correct me if I'm wrong but the draft would only be for players not re-signing with their current club. Including juniors.
 

Justadragon

SGI NSW Cup
Players we are looking at for 27 may be released for 26.
Until that is sorted we need to keep spots available.
I would not be expecting any major announcements until Jan.
I have actually forced myself not to expect anything this year or next, but good luck keeping all the supporters under wraps for 2 months, especially if the Keon Roosters deal is confirmed, people are going to lose their shit.
 

Justadragon

SGI NSW Cup
Correct me if I'm wrong but the draft would only be for players not re-signing with their current club. Including juniors.
Dont quote me but you are correct in part. The senior players can elect to go to draft but they usually get picked up in the trade period prior. The pool of juniors get graded and dont really get a choice. It is complicated because you can trade picks etc between clubs and then there is compensation from the AFL, its quite complicated. You have to have a brilliant list manager not someone like Haran.
 

Mailroomsgi

SGI Jersey Flegg
The problem is we aren’t set up currently to develop players separately from the clubs.
The onus is completely on clubs to scout and sign their own juniors and it’s an absolute shitfight

Like in the USA it’s colleges that develop and then NFL teams can draft them based on their collegiate games

I think a lottery system like the NBA is better so clubs aren’t actively ‘tanking’ to finish dead last and get the #1 pick like in the NFL

Anyway we are a long way away from that ever happeningAnd the successful clubs will want to keep it as the status quo instead of risking ripping up what they currently do to keep ahead

It would be incredible from a supporter’s perspective to have a draft though, lots of content and media based around it too
 

George Sancti

SGI Jersey Flegg
Can see your point George, but that would still hamper the spreading of talent. If you look at the way it works and you are a team that is consistently top 4 ie Melb, then your elite juniors are not going to get much of a chance breaking into that side, may as well go to a side that finished bottom 4 and is struggling, ie Dragons
Yes, allowing juniors to avoid the draft would reduce the spread of talent somewhat. However, it rewards clubs which develop their juniors, which is good for the game and should also benefit the clubs. Another benefit is if a club has a promising junior in a position which the club has plenty of depth, the club can then trade the junior to a team which is acceptable to the junior for a player in a position that the club needs.
 

Dave03

SGI NSW Cup
I'm against a draft, we've got a great catchment area which we should keep for ourselves. Why share it with other teams? this should be our advantage. Draft would be detrimental for us & doesn't guarantee success. If our club supported a draft that would be really silly, again we need to keep all the advantages we have rather than give them away. Plenty of AFL teams are still coming in the bottom 4 after having multiple years of high draft picks. There's also an issue of drafting players who end up leaving regardless. Once again it comes down to development, I think we're on the right path.
 

Justadragon

SGI NSW Cup
I'm against a draft, we've got a great catchment area which we should keep for ourselves. Why share it with other teams? this should be our advantage. Draft would be detrimental for us & doesn't guarantee success. If our club supported a draft that would be really silly, again we need to keep all the advantages we have rather than give them away. Plenty of AFL teams are still coming in the bottom 4 after having multiple years of high draft picks. There's also an issue of drafting players who end up leaving regardless. Once again it comes down to development, I think we're on the right path.
How has our catchment area worked for us in the last 10-15 years. Name me these magnificent NRL players that have come into our team and not been poached. Our development and retention of juniors has been ridiculously poor for over 10 years. Things may be changing now but we have years of catching up to do. The reality is we are a bottom 4 club and have been now for numerous years. Even with the current juniors we have means nothing, they are still unproven. The current system of talent sharing is beyond f#@ked up.
 

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
How has our catchment area worked for us in the last 10-15 years. Name me these magnificent NRL players that have come into our team and not been poached. Our development and retention of juniors has been ridiculously poor for over 10 years. Things may be changing now but we have years of catching up to do. The reality is we are a bottom 4 club and have been now for numerous years. Even with the current juniors we have means nothing, they are still unproven. The current system of talent sharing is beyond f#@ked up.
Remember before Penrih started winning, Roosters and Storm were dominating for the best part of a decade. I know they didn't always win but they were always up there. It seemed that at that time the idea was to disregard spending on grassroots and just recruit the right players. It seemed to me, without any inside knowledge, that's the model the Dragons decided to pursue. Then Penrith started winning with a team made up of largely club juniors, recruited from all over while juniors, and that blew the strategy the Dragons were following out of the water. And on top of that, the Dragons head office was very slow to react to the new conditions.

It seems that period is almost behind us. Next year we will have:
  • Stewart
  • Couchman x 2
  • LKT
  • Egan
  • Buchanan
  • Halangahu
  • LPT
  • Nick T
  • Feagai
  • Lawrie
  • Sloan
All in the top 30 and probably all but one of the development squad in from local juniors. That's not even even counting:
  • Kerr
  • Leilua
  • Cook
  • Sele
Who are coming back.

I know the club would probably love to get rid of Sloan, Lawrie, Feagai, maybe Leilua as well but even if we discount them, that is a very impressive list of those who have progressed through the grades. Not only the quantity but the quality.
 

Dragon David

SGI Jersey Flegg
Okay. In that case, we already have several enforcers.
I think we need strike power in the backs and forwards. Guys who can threaten all of the time in attack. In the case of defence, we need enforcers who don't buckle when defending and not to be rag dolled and pushed aside by the opposition and our defenders stop players in their tracks. Big ask I know but that is what our coaches have got to get our guys doing.
How has our catchment area worked for us in the last 10-15 years. Name me these magnificent NRL players that have come into our team and not been poached. Our development and retention of juniors has been ridiculously poor for over 10 years. Things may be changing now but we have years of catching up to do. The reality is we are a bottom 4 club and have been now for numerous years. Even with the current juniors we have means nothing, they are still unproven. The current system of talent sharing is beyond f#@ked up.
Not only has our management and development of the juniors been poor, things have been poor right across the grades in the mens and women's teams.
All players in grade footy have the ability to be great in their position(s). They generally would have started quite young and there are plenty that show natural flair and class and as they grow and age, they should become even better with the right development and coaching on and off the field.

I haven't seen that many coming through the ranks that are really killing it and bringing excitement to our game consistently and if there were any, they end up elsewhere. Consistent greatness only comes to the best performers like most things in life because many are just natural and have worked hard to get to that level and are able to maintain that level.

The Dragons have to ensure that they have the right people in the respective positions and that they are the best. Training and coaching and man management have to be the best as well.

I think that the Club with Anderson will do the right thing for the future of our players - selection wise. Flanno, Young, Ennis and Co will have to sharpen up their coaching skills to get the players keen and eager every game.
 

GCRV

SGI NSW Cup
Remember before Penrih started winning, Roosters and Storm were dominating for the best part of a decade. I know they didn't always win but they were always up there. It seemed that at that time the idea was to disregard spending on grassroots and just recruit the right players. It seemed to me, without any inside knowledge, that's the model the Dragons decided to pursue. Then Penrith started winning with a team made up of largely club juniors, recruited from all over while juniors, and that blew the strategy the Dragons were following out of the water. And on top of that, the Dragons head office was very slow to react to the new conditions.

It seems that period is almost behind us. Next year we will have:
  • Stewart
  • Couchman x 2
  • LKT
  • Egan
  • Buchanan
  • Halangahu
  • LPT
  • Nick T
  • Feagai
  • Lawrie
  • Sloan
All in the top 30 and probably all but one of the development squad in from local juniors. That's not even even counting:
  • Kerr
  • Leilua
  • Cook
  • Sele
Who are coming back.

I know the club would probably love to get rid of Sloan, Lawrie, Feagai, maybe Leilua as well but even if we discount them, that is a very impressive list of those who have progressed through the grades. Not only the quantity but the quality.
Compare that to 3 years ago. Not even in terms of quantity but quality.
 

TheRev

SGI NSW Cup
There are plenty of ways a draft could be setup... we would tailor it to suit the NRL setup.... but it would most likely be something like the first 6-10 development juniors (of the clubs choice) are quarantined from the open draft.. there is always a reward for clubs developing players... thats not hard to setup.. the difference is the Rorters, Penrith, Broncos etc cant just stack all the talent.. they have to pick some and let the others be up for grabs.

In terms of our catchments, I mean you can see from Ayios's lists that not a lot is coming out of the dragons area.. there were still a few in the U17's, but by U19's very very few.. mostly the kids are from places like parra, penrith or qld/nz.

In terms of the Steelers catchment.. I find that super exciting.. maybe we didn't do the best job of developing them in recent times.. but if you watch the lower grades.. there is real quality not making those sides.. i.e. it doesnt need a lot of help with external recruitment.. so most of that external recruitment is going into the Dragons squad up north.. thats the trade-off for being a merged club, we get twice as many kids into the rep system, but we dont get to jam it all together like most other clubs for a super team... it hasnt worked out that well in Flegg yet for reasons I dont understand.. but we are getting better at that every year..

I mean most gun juniors never actually have long first grade careers.. but most of that 2019 U19 steelers premiership squad didnt really kick on.. but they went close, and most played a fair bit of 1st grade.... in Sullivan, Amone, Sloan, Stewart, Coric, Schoupp, Feagais, Herring, Shereb, Muhleissen... since then I mean names like Bostock, Schiller, Stewart, Egan, Couchman (x2), Heidke, Meafou (x2), Ollie, Buchanan, CST.. thats top of my head.. oh Garrick a bit older... and the steelers area borders the raiders catchment, and somehow they got all the big forwards over the years, and we didnt.. but we have some now in our Top 30... Stewart & Egan im pretty confident will be 10+yr first graders.. and im hoping Couchmen will too....
 

GCRV

SGI NSW Cup
There are plenty of ways a draft could be setup... we would tailor it to suit the NRL setup.... but it would most likely be something like the first 6-10 development juniors (of the clubs choice) are quarantined from the open draft.. there is always a reward for clubs developing players... thats not hard to setup.. the difference is the Rorters, Penrith, Broncos etc cant just stack all the talent.. they have to pick some and let the others be up for grabs.

In terms of our catchments, I mean you can see from Ayios's lists that not a lot is coming out of the dragons area.. there were still a few in the U17's, but by U19's very very few.. mostly the kids are from places like parra, penrith or qld/nz.

In terms of the Steelers catchment.. I find that super exciting.. maybe we didn't do the best job of developing them in recent times.. but if you watch the lower grades.. there is real quality not making those sides.. i.e. it doesnt need a lot of help with external recruitment.. so most of that external recruitment is going into the Dragons squad up north.. thats the trade-off for being a merged club, we get twice as many kids into the rep system, but we dont get to jam it all together like most other clubs for a super team... it hasnt worked out that well in Flegg yet for reasons I dont understand.. but we are getting better at that every year..

I mean most gun juniors never actually have long first grade careers.. but most of that 2019 U19 steelers premiership squad didnt really kick on.. but they went close, and most played a fair bit of 1st grade.... in Sullivan, Amone, Sloan, Stewart, Coric, Schoupp, Feagais, Herring, Shereb, Muhleissen... since then I mean names like Bostock, Schiller, Stewart, Egan, Couchman (x2), Heidke, Meafou (x2), Ollie, Buchanan, CST.. thats top of my head.. oh Garrick a bit older... and the steelers area borders the raiders catchment, and somehow they got all the big forwards over the years, and we didnt.. but we have some now in our Top 30... Stewart & Egan im pretty confident will be 10+yr first graders.. and im hoping Couchmen will too....
That would work brilliantly. Rewarding clubs which put a lot of money and resources into grassroots but preventing Rorters, among others, making a mockery of the cap.

Though your last sentence also got my attention. I think Toby's missed season and Ryan's severely disrupted season in a lightweight pack, literally and figuratively, has made us forget a bit how good they really are. I'm very confident the Couchman's are going to be 10 year first graders.
 

Justadragon

SGI NSW Cup
Remember before Penrih started winning, Roosters and Storm were dominating for the best part of a decade. I know they didn't always win but they were always up there. It seemed that at that time the idea was to disregard spending on grassroots and just recruit the right players. It seemed to me, without any inside knowledge, that's the model the Dragons decided to pursue. Then Penrith started winning with a team made up of largely club juniors, recruited from all over while juniors, and that blew the strategy the Dragons were following out of the water. And on top of that, the Dragons head office was very slow to react to the new conditions.

It seems that period is almost behind us. Next year we will have:
  • Stewart
  • Couchman x 2
  • LKT
  • Egan
  • Buchanan
  • Halangahu
  • LPT
  • Nick T
  • Feagai
  • Lawrie
  • Sloan
All in the top 30 and probably all but one of the development squad in from local juniors. That's not even even counting:
  • Kerr
  • Leilua
  • Cook
  • Sele
Who are coming back.

I know the club would probably love to get rid of Sloan, Lawrie, Feagai, maybe Leilua as well but even if we discount them, that is a very impressive list of those who have progressed through the grades. Not only the quantity but the quality.
It may be an impressive list Morgs, but none on that list have even seen finals, they are still an unproven entity. Hopefully next year maybe and I stress maybe we can do something if they all stay fit.
 
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