RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
It's incredible to me how Flanno isn't getting slammed by fans at least 10x more than he is. The results across two seasons show he's the worst coach since good old Chinless.
Round 21 vs North QLD
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jodragon40
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Here's an idea why, its the team of players he inherited
Don't bother. Brick wall stuff.
RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
Sir, sobre up please! Who in this squad has he inherited? Lawrie, Sloan, Liddle, Su'A. Did he extend Suli? Couchmams, Egan, Stewart. Lawrie and Sloan are problems though Sloan might kill in under a better coach. Other than those 2, seems to me the blokes he inherited are our shining lights.
Who did he sign? RFM, Eisenhuth, Kyle Flanno, Ilias, Leilua, Lawson, Sele, CT, Klemmer, Gular, Holmes, Gutherson, Cook. Re signed Feagai, Frank Molo, BMM.
How the f*k has he made fans, drunk or not, believe he mostly inherited this team??!!
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jodragon40
Staff
It's not the coach that loses a game.
His role is to coach, mentor, provide guidance and identify a players weakness and strengths, develop the players.
Then combine the individual players into a team environment. Do the same as above in that team environment. Develop the team into a competitive unit.
Set achievable targets and goals for the individual player and the team. Ensure both are focused on the positive outcomes required such as winning.
Identify additional player resources outside and internally, recruit and retain.
Analyse the opposition identify their weaknesses and strengths and develop a game plan and contingency plans.
Unless his game plan and contingency plans are the sole reason for a loss or the continual poor performances of the team then it's not the coach fault.
The coach especially in 1sts is the face and voice of the club and unfortunately is the easiest target of vitriol from the supporters and on occasions from senior management.
This coach has done all he can with the available player talent we have in my humble opinion.
jodragon40
Staff
You are entitled to your opinion as long as you keep it respectful and not personally attack the opinion of another on this forum.
Having been involved in the world of coaching and playing I believe that you do not have an intricate understanding of what influence and power the coach has actually got.
It's not an open chequebook, there are circumstances beyond the understanding of a supporter , there are many intricacies that people do not know or understand .
To simply lay blame on the coach or a particular player is in my view erroneous. Just my views
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RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
Well sir, coaches are on the big bucks and in return they have to take the fall for failure. That's just the way it works. Probably not entirely fair.
jodragon40
Staff
That has always been the measuring stick of any coach, his ability to win games on a consistent basis. That will never change.
RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
Yes sir. So I repeat, he is the worst since the nightmare Steve Price. But somehow escapes 90% of the critcism I think he deserves. And this is factually not a team he mostly inherited.
I think flanno has done pretty well with the cattle available. Kept it close against the top sides on most occasions who have far better rosters. Coach isn't a one stop shop. Many different people contribute to 'winning' & 'losing' but an easy cop out is blaming the coach.
I've been proud of our performances, we've built a solid foundation of competitiveness. Next step is to change close losses to wins.
jodragon40
Staff
Absolutely, my old man always told me never bad mouth someone for what he does unless you have walked away mile in his shoes.
A lot of close losses but if we get our attacking mojo back then we can win some games.
Obviously defence is important in professional rugby league—but if you do not attack (including counter attacks) your defence will crack eventually.
Is it the curse of Wayne Bennett that we have become too defensive minded to the extent that we think (erroneously) that if we stay in arm wrestles long enough we will just win games ?
By the way, does anyone know what Sandon Smith is doing next year if they sign the man with the hyphenated surname ?
Obviously defence is important in professional rugby league—but if you do not attack (including counter attacks) your defence will crack eventually.
Is it the curse of Wayne Bennett that we have become too defensive minded to the extent that we think (erroneously) that if we stay in arm wrestles long enough we will just win games ?
By the way, does anyone know what Sandon Smith is doing next year if they sign the man with the hyphenated surname ?
RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
jodragon40, How does Flanno do it? Has he cast some kind of spell that only 1 in 10 Dragons supporters are immune to? Does anyone think the supporters of teams we narrowly lost to aren't saying, "We are going to put the Dragons to the sword next year"? Unless it comes down to for and against determining a teams position in the 8, narrow losses or losing every game like the one we lost to the Dolphins makes no difference at all!
RedV01
SGI NSW Cup
Is he better than Ilias?
jodragon40
Staff
I remember when I started coaching it was by default, unfortunately I broke my neck at work so playing days were gone.
Initially coached our clubs U16 because nobody wanted a bar of them a bunch of kids that couldn't care less they been together since U14 and in the 2 yrs notch up 6 wins.
U18 same group of kids made the GF we lost but came a long way. Then given gig as Asst Ressies coach and a year after that head coach.
You learn a lot in 5 yrs had to get the accreditations, study, learn the ropes in administration. One denominator in those years was you were the figurehead and the buck rightly or wrongly stopped with you.
You were measured by your teams onfield performance and that's the way it always was and is. Nobody cares about anything that happens in the background, the myriad of issues every coach faces.
This coach has achieved the pinnacle, a premiership winning coach in 1sts. He is the right person for the job.
I believed we would finish 8th this season with the playing squad we had. I was wrong but with a little more fortune we could have but alas it wasn't to be.
In my view our future is looking brighter than it has in the last 6 yrs and with our young stars we have the foundations of a top 8 team next season. If we could recruit a decent 7 and prop I believe that a top 8 finish would be a certainty.
If he fails to meet that expectation then I would suggest that his contract will not be renewed. Just my views.
jodragon40
Staff
Steve Price and not 1 other coach since him won a premiership, this bloke has.
DragonsTragic
SGI Jersey Flegg
We have structures and variety in attack this season that we have been missing for years and a team that, for the most part, has worked hard to stay in games. What we are missing, as you so rightly say, is a big man to put us consistently on the front foot, and a smart 7 to ice the close ones.