Recruitment and Retention for 2023

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
What a buy. I mean this is what are once proud club has come too. Couldn't even make the run on team for this year's wooden spooners and like a thief in the night we outsmart every other club to grab this prized signature. This clearly shows us all what the current mindset of our club and coach . Unless we get that prop we so desperately need perhaps liddle will be playing against his old team in round 25 for our 1st wooden spoon as a joint venture.
I really can't understand it. What Ryan Ryan says about Hook going mad would make sense but he doesn't have absolute power over recruitment. I think it's almost the opposite. He has very limited power over recruitment. So if McCullough is staying, why sign another mature age NSW Cup star to compete for his spot? WTF is going on?
 

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
Because according to Haran we are 'short in depth for hookers'. Little chance now that we will pursue Reece Robson which should be welcome news for our own group of young hookers.
So it's just a question of "depth" not about building a winning team..... The NSW Cup team might be formidable next year.
 
I really can't understand it. What Ryan Ryan says about Hook going mad would make sense but he doesn't have absolute power over recruitment. I think it's almost the opposite. He has very limited power over recruitment. So if McCullough is staying, why sign another mature age NSW Cup star to compete for his spot? WTF is going on?
Seriously? This type of old school coach would have a very big say if not the final one
 
So it's just a question of "depth" not about building a winning team..... The NSW Cup team might be formidable next year.
I understand about ensuring your reserves are competitive because that automatically reverts to reserves and 1st positions being competitive but you can and you will alienate those rising junior stars that feel they have been lowered down the pecking order by someone from outside the club who the junior players may not respect or believe that they are just as good and only seek that chance to show it on the paddock
 

RedVHeartbeat

SGI NSW Cup
why sign another mature age NSW Cup star
Liddle is only 25. Has only been contracted for the one season.. with no mention of a PO. Has FO done their homework on this bloke. Stats from his 10 NRL games shud'v shown them he offers no more in attack than the snail. Low metres from dummy half and not one tackle break or try assist. The mind boggles at their incompetency.
 

RedVHeartbeat

SGI NSW Cup
alienate those rising junior stars that feel they have been lowered down the pecking order by someone from outside the club
Spot on. But having said that, only for one year while the snail finishes. FO has already said that Connor Muhleisen wont be playing top grade until '24. So that pushes the other two kids further back. I can now see us loosing either Hooper or Purcell to a club with a keen eye for dummy half talent.
 

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
Seriously? This type of old school coach would have a very big say if not the final one
He would like it but it's not as if he has been 'highly successful'. He wouldn't be able to dictate to the club. That would be the normal course of action but I've never heard about the system that was put in place for Mary being revoked. That is, a system was put in place where Mary, the head coach, had very little power over recruitment and retention decisions.
 

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
Spot on. But having said that, only for one year while the snail finishes. FO has already said that Connor Muhleisen wont be playing top grade until '24. So that pushes the other two kids further back. I can now see us loosing either Hooper or Purcell to a club with a keen eye for dummy half talent.
There is surely no way they'll let Hooper go...... It would be unfathomable!
 

RedVHeartbeat

SGI NSW Cup
That is, a system was put in place where Mary, the head coach, had very little power over recruitment and retention decisions.
Like in cricket the head coach should be given R/R input. After all he is the one given the prime task to lift team performances. Such a pity ours is so incompetent.
 
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Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
Like in cricket the coach should be given R/R input. After all he is the only one given the task to lift team performances.
I'm sure he has input. Just not sure how much. Especially after the debacles of his recruitment since coming on board.

JoDragon may be right. I'm just very confused by this latest superstar signing and am trying to fathom where such decisions come from. If Macca was definitely retiring, I could understand it. The promising young hookers the club has may not be ready for first grade next year. But why does the team need both? And what position is Hook's other superstar, Mbye, supposed to play next year?

None of it makes any sense to me.
 

RedVHeartbeat

SGI NSW Cup
None of it makes any sense to me.
Nor me. Ok say for argument's sake that his stats were outstanding then I can see why we'd bring him here to play top grade and possibly, if not usurp Macca at least put pressure on him. But his attacking skills are no better than the snail. Not one try, try assist or a tackle break while his running metres per game may be better than you know who, they are moderate at best.
 
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RedV01

SGI NSW Cup
Nor me. Ok say for argument's sake that his stats were outstanding then I can see why we'd bring him here to play top grade and possibly, if not usurp the Macca at least put pressure on him. But his attacking stats are no better than the snail. Not one try, try assist or a tackle break while his running metres per game may be better than you know who, they are moderate at best.
He was behind a hooker the wooden spoon team is trying to move on. So if he saw out his contract, he would've been 3rd choice hooker for the wooden spoon team.

This is starting to look like more than just incompetence and stupidity. Are the Rorters secretly paying Albert and Griffin to ruin the team for the next 10 years.
I'm sure he has input. Just not sure how much. Especially after the debacles of his recruitment since coming on board.

JoDragon may be right. I'm just very confused by this latest superstar signing and am trying to fathom where such decisions come from. If Macca was definitely retiring, I could understand it. The promising young hookers the club has may not be ready for first grade next year. But why does the team need both? And what position is Hook's other superstar, Mbye, supposed to play next year?

None of it makes any sense to me.
If you use simple logic, you won't find any answers. Try looking outside the box. Who gains from this fiasco on top of failure? Rival teams only as far as I can see.
 

Chris M

SGI NSW Cup
He was behind a hooker the wooden spoon team is trying to move on. So if he saw out his contract, he would've been 3rd choice hooker for the wooden spoon team.
Any normal coach would have him 4th or 5th choice at the Dragons. Out of all the recognised or potential hookers, he'd only be in front of Macca.
 

RedVHeartbeat

SGI NSW Cup
So by now everyone should be able to understand that our coach and spine for 23 will be the same except for being a year older and slower. I am extremely concerned about being competitive next season.
If we dont pick up a decent big unit for the engine room plus a worthy Sims replacement I have to agree with you.
 
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GCRV

SGI NSW Cup
So by now everyone should be able to understand that our coach and spine for 23 will be the same except for being a year older and slower. I am extremely concerned about being competitive next season.
Lets just wait and see. If McCullough and Liddle are in the top 30 next year, may as well start thinking about 2024. If Liddle is in just in case Hooper, Purcell or Muhleisen are given a chance but not up to first grade week in week out just yet and McCullough is seeing out his last year as a backup for the NSW Cup team, this might not be such a bad signing.
 

Eric

Staff
I'm sure he has input. Just not sure how much. Especially after the debacles of his recruitment since coming on board.

JoDragon may be right. I'm just very confused by this latest superstar signing and am trying to fathom where such decisions come from. If Macca was definitely retiring, I could understand it. The promising young hookers the club has may not be ready for first grade next year. But why does the team need both? And what position is Hook's other superstar, Mbye, supposed to play next year?

None of it makes any sense to me.
This is something I think we have overlooked in this whole thing. What was Mybe signed for? He's on 450K a year to do what? Now we are going to have Liddle and McCullough as our hookers, is Mbye going to be the fulltime fullback?
 

RedV01

SGI NSW Cup
This is something I think we have overlooked in this whole thing. What was Mybe signed for? He's on 450K a year to do what? Now we are going to have Liddle and McCullough as our hookers, is Mbye going to be the fulltime fullback?
Might be fullback or front rower or second rower. Griffin will fit him in somewhere because to not pick him would be an admission his recruitment was wrong.
 

Ryan

SGI Jersey Flegg
Because according to Ben Haran we are 'short in depth for hookers'. Little chance now that we will pursue Reece Robson which should be welcome news for our own group of young hookers.
Only have The Tortoise, Mbye, Sullivan, Muhleisen who were available last season and now add Liddle along with the two highly regarded Flegg hookers, Purcell and Hooper. That's only 7 potential hookers. Wouldn't surprise me to see Ben Haran get Mitch Rein back for a year or two.
So by now everyone should be able to understand that our coach and spine for 23 will be the same except for being a year older and slower. I am extremely concerned about being competitive next season.
Looks like hooker is a complete write-off for next year but hopefully the 5/8 will improve a lot and Sloan or Stewart, both very talented, make a successful transition to NRL. Ramsey is full of effort and energy but really doesn't offer much apart from effort and energy at fullback. If he gains another 5 or so kgs he should make it as a winger.
 
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