Recruitment and Retention for 2025

Mailroomsgi

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Ah the wonders of rebuilding not only a team but a club. From the eyes of an old coaches perspective we are heading in the right direction. I mentioned back in 21 no player manager worth half his salt wanted their client to wear the big red v. The club had a discipline and cultural problem and did not offer any player coming off contract the belief or ability to even make the top 8, the coaches pre Flanagan were not rated and players simply didn't want to play under them, that is reality.

You can rebuild 2 ways, one at an accelerated rate to satisfy the demands of the fans and senior management or you take a slower more measured approach. The second option has always in my view been the best but as a coach you have to have that determination and resolve to deflect and ignore the doomsayers and criticism that will undoubtedly follow from within and outside the club.

We currently lack 2 positions in my view, a play maker/ game manager and a big bodied bookend. In 21 I said the next time we could possibly play semi finals football again was in 25 if we addressed those before mentioned issues. I still believe that under this coach, support staff and current top 30 players we can make at the very best 7th next season but until we get those 2 important missing pieces of the puzzle we won't have a competitive top 8 team.
Very well articulated! I agree, Gus Gould said it best that the only sustainable way to have a winning club is build from within and that’s what we are aiming to do, however it can’t be done overnight.
Stay patient and trust our young guys to come in and improve the team
 

GCRV

SGI NSW Cup
Getting on the Sack Flanno Bandwagon based on Re-signing Eisenhuth on almost a minimum wage 1 year top 30 deal is bizarre.

We are obviously trending in a positive direction under Flanno (Can’t say that about any coach in recent memory we’ve had) and there is a reason JDB/Eisenhuth/RFM aren’t signed beyond 2025 - They will be phased out in 12-18 months for the young guns
JDB/Eisenhuth/RFM? Lumping those 3 together suggests something much more than "bizarre". JDB was arguably the best yet again. Eisenhuth was ok unless there weren't much better players in reserve grade behind him. RFM played one good game against a weak but didn't fire another shot. Disagree about Eisenhuth. It'll be proof that Flanno has his favourites and is too conservative to be successful.
 

Wild383

SGI Jersey Flegg
Getting on the Sack Flanno Bandwagon based on Re-signing Eisenhuth on almost a minimum wage 1 year top 30 deal is bizarre.

We are obviously trending in a positive direction under Flanno (Can’t say that about any coach in recent memory we’ve had) and there is a reason JDB/Eisenhuth/RFM aren’t signed beyond 2025 - They will be phased out in 12-18 months for the young guns
Wasn't worth responding to but glad someone did, extremely bizarre to jump to sacking him already after only 12 months and finally seeing some light at the end of a long 10year tunnel.
JDB/Eisenhuth/RFM? Lumping those 3 together suggests something much more than "bizarre". JDB was arguably the best yet again. Eisenhuth was ok unless there weren't much better players in reserve grade behind him. RFM played one good game against a weak but didn't fire another shot. Disagree about Eisenhuth. It'll be proof that Flanno has his favourites and is too conservative to be successful.
It's not proof of that at all lol. If we don't fill all our spots and he ends up extending for another 12months as cheap depth it makes literally no difference and would be the smart decision in those circumstances. If he's getting picked over everyone else sure you could complain but saying sack him if he extends Tom is ridiculous, especially with all the other signings we've had and hopefully a couple more.
Ah the wonders of rebuilding not only a team but a club. From the eyes of an old coaches perspective we are heading in the right direction. I mentioned back in 21 no player manager worth half his salt wanted their client to wear the big red v. The club had a discipline and cultural problem and did not offer any player coming off contract the belief or ability to even make the top 8, the coaches pre Flanagan were not rated and players simply didn't want to play under them, that is reality.

You can rebuild 2 ways, one at an accelerated rate to satisfy the demands of the fans and senior management or you take a slower more measured approach. The second option has always in my view been the best but as a coach you have to have that determination and resolve to deflect and ignore the doomsayers and criticism that will undoubtedly follow from within and outside the club.

We currently lack 2 positions in my view, a play maker/ game manager and a big bodied bookend. In 21 I said the next time we could possibly play semi finals football again was in 25 if we addressed those before mentioned issues. I still believe that under this coach, support staff and current top 30 players we can make at the very best 7th next season but until we get those 2 important missing pieces of the puzzle we won't have a competitive top 8 team.
Beautifully summed up, at least the half/play maker signing and I think we can challenge the 8 a lot more comfortably then last season. We get the big body we've desperately wanted as well then even more so.
 

GCRV

SGI NSW Cup
Wasn't worth responding to but glad someone did, extremely bizarre to jump to sacking him already after only 12 months and finally seeing some light at the end of a long 10year tunnel.
FFS, I don't know why you are so argumentative? I like what Flanno is doing as well. As long as he doesn't re-sign Eisenhuth. And one more fact, Hook had a better first year than Flanno did. That is a fact.

In my view, one mediocre season and then recruiting 32 year-old journeymen to play in place of numerous talented young players, after being bitten by doing the same thing last year, is worthy of jumping on the sacking bandwagon. You view is obviously different. Good for you. I'm sticking solid to my opinion.
 
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Wild383

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FFS, I don't know why you are so argumentative? I like what Flanno is doing as well. As long as he doesn't re-sign Eisenhuth. And one more fact, Hook had a better first year than Flanno did. That is a fact.

In my view, one mediocre season and then recruiting 32 year-old journeymen to play in place of numerous talented young players, after being bitten by doing the same thing last year, is worthy of jumping on the sacking bandwagon. You view is obviously different. Good for you. I'm sticking solid to my
Argumentative because I agree with him? Bit ironic given we were having a reasonable discussion till you got upset others disagreed with you, but that's how discussion works. Your willing to throw opinions out there then be willing to discuss them. I'd like to discuss why you rate Hooks first year better as well?

You think it was mediocre that's fine, if you read my comment I literally said its not the signing that would be the issue for me its if he's being picked over others which we can't possibly know till next year if it even happens. That's why I agree that jumping to sack him when he might sit as reserve grade depth anyway is over the top.

Your right my view is different im focusing on the positive change, one signing shouldnt outweight 3/4/5 good ones in my opinion and we've had a lot of positive news rolling in so let's not spoil it with potential/maybe/unconfirmed issues that are all hypothetical at best at this point.
 
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TheRev

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It's a 30+6 man squad, if ur ready to spend another 12mths angry over 1 or 2 players you dont like why do it to yourself? It's fun for us to play supercoach.. but Shane has got real personalities, egos, aspirations, rifts, attitude-issues to try and smash together into a squad.

If Eisenhuth stays it would be a minimum value Dev, T&T, NSW Cup contract.. being an older player (old legs) the full season was too much for him in 2024.. I'm hoping (and I think Shane is hoping) that we wont need him in 2025, but if we literally cant sign anyone else by end of year... maybe... he could see Top30 again and half a season @lock.. but it would surprise me... Shane is going very hard after May, has met with him twice, but look the dogs and tigers are just as likely to sign him.. im not sure where else we could go if we miss our man...
 

Ryan

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Ah the wonders of rebuilding not only a team but a club. From the eyes of an old coaches perspective we are heading in the right direction. I mentioned back in 21 no player manager worth half his salt wanted their client to wear the big red v. The club had a discipline and cultural problem and did not offer any player coming off contract the belief or ability to even make the top 8, the coaches pre Flanagan were not rated and players simply didn't want to play under them, that is reality.

You can rebuild 2 ways, one at an accelerated rate to satisfy the demands of the fans and senior management or you take a slower more measured approach. The second option has always in my view been the best but as a coach you have to have that determination and resolve to deflect and ignore the doomsayers and criticism that will undoubtedly follow from within and outside the club.

We currently lack 2 positions in my view, a play maker/ game manager and a big bodied bookend. In 21 I said the next time we could possibly play semi finals football again was in 25 if we addressed those before mentioned issues. I still believe that under this coach, support staff and current top 30 players we can make at the very best 7th next season but until we get those 2 important missing pieces of the puzzle we won't have a competitive top 8 team.
100%. Not even a prop. Would be good but JDB, Sele both Couchmans, Stewart, JPT, Latu. There is Frank Molo if it's a bit early for those young players. It's not early for the Couchman's but too soon to know about the other 3.

But need a playmaker/halfback very badly.
 

Ryan

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Getting on the Sack Flanno Bandwagon based on Re-signing Eisenhuth on almost a minimum wage 1 year top 30 deal is bizarre.

We are obviously trending in a positive direction under Flanno (Can’t say that about any coach in recent memory we’ve had) and there is a reason JDB/Eisenhuth/RFM aren’t signed beyond 2025 - They will be phased out in 12-18 months for the young guns
Not bizarre at all. Take up one more spot in the top 30. If Rava and Lawrie are moved on, it might be ok but even then, why would he want to re-sign Eisenhuth? Not the worst lock or second rower but closer to that than to the best.
 
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Ryan

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FFS, I don't know why you are so argumentative? I like what Flanno is doing as well. As long as he doesn't re-sign Eisenhuth. And one more fact, Hook had a better first year than Flanno did. That is a fact.

In my view, one mediocre season and then recruiting 32 year-old journeymen to play in place of numerous talented young players, after being bitten by doing the same thing last year, is worthy of jumping on the sacking bandwagon. You view is obviously different. Good for you. I'm sticking solid to my opinion.
So far I find the parallels with Hook uncanny. After the first year, I thought Hook did well with what Mary left him. I was optimistic where he was leading the team and club. But I was confused by his recruitment. Macca then McGuire then Mbye. I couldn't understand it. Holmes, Cook and Gutho are much better than those 3 but all 3 are on the slide. Flanno has the young players coming though but Mary left Hook with nothing. The best thing about so far is Hook's doing.

And this is coming from someone who toward the end was screaming to sack Hook. I think Flanno is going to be much better but after year 1, Hook clearly wins the first round.
 

Wild383

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It's a 30+6 man squad, if ur ready to spend another 12mths angry over 1 or 2 players you dont like why do it to yourself? It's fun for us to play supercoach.. but Shane has got real personalities, egos, aspirations, rifts, attitude-issues to try and smash together into a squad.

If Eisenhuth stays it would be a minimum value Dev, T&T, NSW Cup contract.. being an older player (old legs) the full season was too much for him in 2024.. I'm hoping (and I think Shane is hoping) that we wont need him in 2025, but if we literally cant sign anyone else by end of year... maybe... he could see Top30 again and half a season @lock.. but it would surprise me... Shane is going very hard after May, has met with him twice, but look the dogs and tigers are just as likely to sign him.. im not sure where else we could go if we miss our man...
Exactly its not worth stressing about anyway until we've seen some more signings confirmed .
100%. Not even a prop. Would be good but JDB, Sele both Couchmans, Stewart, JPT, Latu. There is Frank Molo if it's a bit early for those young players. It's not early for the Couchman's but too soon to know about the other 3.

But need a playmaker/halfback very badly.
Yea I agree, reckon we can still make the 8 with at least the playmaker part. Would certainly be a big win to get the big body signing as well though.
 

Wild383

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So far I find the parallels with Hook uncanny. After the first year, I thought Hook did well with what Mary left him. I was optimistic where he was leading the team and club. But I was confused by his recruitment. Macca then McGuire then Mbye. I couldn't understand it. Holmes, Cook and Gutho are much better than those 3 but all 3 are on the slide. Flanno has the young players coming though but Mary left Hook with nothing. The best thing about so far is Hook's doing.

And this is coming from someone who toward the end was screaming to sack Hook. I think Flanno is going to be much better but after year 1, Hook clearly wins the first round.
Your right about our signings there much better then hooks. And Mbye his golden child jee i was mad when he was starting him over Liddle lol. If we look at stats we also won more games, slightly better for/against and finished the same on the ladder this year followed up by those signings. I'd say we're doing better and just overall the club feels like it's making better decisions and improving all round.
 

Ryan

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Your right about our signings there much better then hooks. If we look at stats we also won more games, slightly better for/against and finished the same on the ladder this year followed up by those signings. I'd say we're doing better and just overall the club feels like it's making better decisions and improving all round.
After the first year? Where do you get those stats? I big enough to admit if I was wrong but I could have sworn we finished in 9th spot in Hooks first year.
 

Wild383

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After the first year? Where do you get those stats? I big enough to admit if I was wrong but I could have sworn we finished in 9th spot in Hooks first year.
I just looked it up then, it says we finished 11th in 2021 (Hook's first year) with 8 wins and a negative 142 P/D. Think your thinking of the following year we did better with 12 wins. But I remember hooks first year being pretty rubbish so wanted to confirm.

Edit - To answer your question I just use the NRL site, filter by year shows all the stats.

Here's the link if your interested Ryan - https://www.nrl.com/ladder/?competition=111&round=25&season=2021
 
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Ryan

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I just looked it up then, it says we finished 11th in 2021 (Hook's first year) with 8 wins and a negative 142 P/D. Think your thinking of the following year we did better with 12 wins. But I remember hooks first year being pretty rubbish so wanted to confirm.

Edit - To answer your question I just use the NRL site, filter by year shows all the stats.

Here's the link if your interested Ryan - https://www.nrl.com/ladder/?competition=111&round=25&season=2021
Okay. Closer but I have to say, round 1 still goes to Hook. Mary left him an absolute rabble. Plus, I think that must be the highest Dragons have finished since JDB problems with overzealous, lying lawmen trying to make a name for themselves by bringing down a club.

A bit off topic, but does anyone know what happened to that cop? Was he given jail time? I hope so.
 

Wild383

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Okay. Closer but I have to say, round 1 still goes to Hook. Mary left him an absolute rabble. Plus, I think that must be the highest Dragons have finished since JDB problems with overzealous, lying lawmen trying to make a name for themselves by bringing down a club.

A bit off topic, but does anyone know what happened to that cop? Was he given jail time? I hope so.
Fair enough, I give it to Flanno cause I think he's done more as a whole at the club over hook. My go to example is it was the first time in a long long time someone has actually held everyone including Hunt accountable, hearing him actually having to own up in press conferences that games lost were on him as well was refreshing.

Not 100% sure but I remember it going to court earlier in the year, so think he definitely got charged with something but what the result was I can't remember.
 

Illusion

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Fair enough, I give it to Flanno cause I think he's done more as a whole at the club over hook. My go to example is it was the first time in a long long time someone has actually held everyone including Hunt accountable, hearing him actually having to own up in press conferences that games lost were on him as well was refreshing.

Not 100% sure but I remember it going to court earlier in the year, so think he definitely got charged with something but what the result was I can't remember.
I believe we are heading in the right direction with Flanno , and will be very surprised if we don't play finals footy next year ........ If we don't we will be starting all over again with a new coach if we do Flanno will get his extension to coach .......... So lets get behind him and the team , because I don't think I can go through trying to rebuild again with another coach .............
 

Chris M

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I believe we are heading in the right direction with Flanno , and will be very surprised if we don't play finals footy next year ........ If we don't we will be starting all over again with a new coach if we do Flanno will get his extension to coach .......... So lets get behind him and the team , because I don't think I can go through trying to rebuild again with another coach .............
If Lawson is good I think the pieces are in place to play finals next year if we can get a decent halfback from somewhere. To have a prop like May would be good but the need for a halfback is more pressing. I think the team as it is now will finish about the same as this year.
 

Illusion

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If Lawson is good I think the pieces are in place to play finals next year if we can get a decent halfback from somewhere. To have a prop like May would be good but the need for a halfback is more pressing. I think the team as it is now will finish about the same as this year.
I just have a feeling Illias will be with us just read somewhere that Souths have let him or will let him go ....... As for Lawson I feel we have a winner there ......
 
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