Morgan

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I wonder which were the 9 above St George?
At first I considered it absolute nonsense so didn't bother with it but then when you think about it with a cool head, our hooker is near the end of his career and was never "a star". 2 are teenagers. One is also in the twilight of his career but was very good last year and in the trials. But bought into the off season hype and tried to do too much in round 1.

Anyway, here's the list:
9. Cronulla Sharks – William Kennedy, Braydon Trindall, Nicholas Hynes, Brayden Brailey
Kennedy was the best player last year in Cronulla and reminds me of a David Peachey. Trindall has flashed at times but I am still not convinced he is a starting five-eighth in the league. Hynes shone at fullback. He moves to halfback. He didn’t look like he missed a beat in the All Stars game and trials but that is still not enough to prove himself to be an out an out halfback. Brailey has shown some promise. I am still waiting for him to really stamp his mark. This could be a breakout year for him. He has a good pack to play behind.

8. New Zealand Warriors – Reece Walsh, Chanel Harris-Tavita, Shaun Johnson, Wayde Egan
Walsh is a no doubt a superstar in the making. He is an exciting prospect who stood out in only a few games. Harris-Tavita is a player that can really be one of the better players in his position. He is a good defender but is yet to do that. He could lose his spot to Kodi Nikorima. Johnson coming off some serious injuries but he is a playmaking wizard who creates something out of nothing. Egan isn’t a dynamic rake but gets the job done. The Warriors could be a finals team if they had a better hooker.

7. Canberra Raiders – Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Jack Wighton, Jamal Fogarty, Josh Hodgson
Nicoll-Klokstad is a tireless worker who is a great metre eater and support player. He may not be the most skilful but makes up for that in toughness. Wighton was the Dally M player of the year two years ago. He is a damaging ball runner. He had a down year in 2021 but I am confident he can return to form, which makes him elite. Fogarty is unfortunately hurt. He was the type of player needed to make Wighton play his game, which will improve the team dramatically. Hodgson has struggled with injury as of late but can be the best hooker in the NRL if he returns to the earlier form. He needs to go back to his best for Canberra to have a comeback season. If not, he may be replaced by Tom Starling.

6. South Sydney Rabbitohs – Latrell Mitchell, Cody Walker, Lachlan Ilias, Damien Cook
Mitchell is a superstar who has the ability to be given the ball and run over someone to set up or score a try. He needs to control his aggression but there is no doubt he is one of the best players in NRL. Walker has the best footy instincts. He is the definition of heads-up footy. He will have a myriad of try assists. I am unsure if he can flourish without Adam Reynolds. Ilias is a rookie pretty much and I am yet to see if he can steady the ship to allow Mitchell and Walker to do what they do best. Cook’s spark from dummy half provides a constant threat to tired forwards. He hasn’t excelled like I thought with the introduction of the new rules.

5. Manly Sea Eagles – Tom Trbojevic, Kieran Foran, Daly Cherry-Evans, Lachlan Croker
What more needs to said about Trbojevic. He is the reigning Dally M Medal winner. From tackle busts, try assists and line breaks, he is a true game breaker and he is the best player in the NRL. Manly are pretty average without him. Foran is well past his best, maybe due to his list of horrid injuries. He still does a serviceable job. I would love to see him run the ball more. Cherry-Evans is the Australian halfback. He has great awareness, he has a great kicking game and he knows how to lead a side around the park. He provides a great foil for Trbojevic. Croker has done okay as a makeshift hooker but doesn’t offer much. If Manase Fainu can return, they would be a much more dangerous team.

4. Sydney Roosters – James Tedesco, Sam Walker, Luke Keary, Sam Verrills
Tedesco is a superstar fullback who has been elite for number of seasons. He runs like a pinball, bouncing off defenders. He added a pass. He is truly one of the league’s best. Walker started his career on fire and fizzled at the end. He is still young and has high a ceiling. I am interested to see how he goes with Keary. He added some much needed size so he won’t be a liability in defence. Keary is a genuine star half who was sorely missed last year. He kicks well and he has a smart footy brain. He knows how to create an overlap. He will add so much to his team. Verrills has been okay without being good but doesn’t have to be – just give good service to Tedesco and Verrills will do his job.

3. Penrith Panthers – Dylan Edwards, Jarome Luai, Nathan Cleary, Apisai Koroisau
Edwards is a safe and reilabe fullback who isn’t fast, doesn’t have good ball skills and doesn’t really create anything. He doesn’t have a wow factor like the majority of fullbacks in NRL but will give you a decent game consistently. Imagine how good the Panthers would be if they kept Daine Laurie. Luai provides a potent one-two punch with Cleary. He has a great dummy and run. He is a dynamic runner. He does look lost without Cleary. Speaking of Cleary, he is the best halfback in the league. He is the total package. He has a running game. He is a strong defender. He has a kicking game and high IQ. Koroisau is a savvy operator who can sniff a lazy defender and exploit them. When he is on, the Panthers are difficult to beat.

2. Parramatta Eels – Clinton Gutherson, Dylan Brown, Mitchell Moses, Reed Mahoney
Gutherson may not be a quick or imposing force but makes up for it with high energy and smart ball playing. He just manages to create chances. He is super fit so he is always making crucial plays late in games. Brown had a down year last year attack-wise but I have seen how special he is. He can manipulate a line with silky moves to create space out wide. He is also by the best defensive half in the NRL. He had a defensive rating of 96. No other half is in the 90s. If he can get more ball, coupled with his defence, he can be an elite five-eighth. Moses is the fastest halfback. He also has the best long kicking game. He has really matured lately and is one of the best halfbacks in the NRL. Mahoney’s service from dummy half is incredible. He is a stout defender and a handy kicker, plus he has added running from dummy half. I can’t believe the Eels let someone as good and young as him go for next year.

1. Melbourne Storm – Ryan Papenhuyzen, Cameron Munster, Jahrome Hughes, Harry Grant
Papenhuyzen is an electrifying fullback who is always lurking for a try. His speed is such a threat up the the middle. Munster had a disappointing year by his standards but looks fit and this year he is a powerful ball runner and a big game player. He can be the best five-eighth when he is on. He looks like a different man. It is an ominous sign for the other 15 clubs. Hughes maybe doesn’t have the best kicking game but he is an incredible ability to make line breaks for himself or others. His ball playing is special. He was their best last season. Imagine if he goes to another level with a rejuvenated Munster. It’s unfair the best hooker last year is not best hooker on his team. As Grant is a one-of-a-kind type of player, he has a rare ability to spot little openings and make a half chance a try. He is really crafty and passes well from dummy half. Add in Brandon Smith – the Dally M hooker of the year, who surges from dummy half and puts defences on the back foot – and it is a scary combo to have.
 

RedV01

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#9 One proven, at least relatively high standard (Hynes) first grader above us? Idiotic!

#8 Two pretty good players. The fullback at the beginning and halfback at the end of their careers. Better than Saints with our young players? Debatable I guess.

#7 I can't argue with that. I'd rank them higher.

#6 They've been up for a while now. Cook and Walker are passed their best but couldn't say in the pre-season Saints spine is better than Souffs. Could make that argument now.

#5 Croker is one of the worst hookers in the competition but pretty good, well-balanced spine apart from that.

#4 Tedesco is good. Keary stars in games but not on a regular basis. They obviously don't rate hooker and plenty of hype around the halfback but I haven't seen it justified yet.

#3 I'd have them higher. At #2.

#2 WTF? Average fullback and 5/8. Hooker and halfback are good but hardly "superstars".

#1 Pretty hard to argue with that.
 

Eric

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#9 One proven, at least relatively high standard (Hynes) first grader above us? Idiotic!

#8 Two pretty good players. The fullback at the beginning and halfback at the end of their careers. Better than Saints with our young players? Debatable I guess.

#7 I can't argue with that. I'd rank them higher.

#6 They've been up for a while now. Cook and Walker are passed their best but couldn't say in the pre-season Saints spine is better than Souffs. Could make that argument now.

#5 Croker is one of the worst hookers in the competition but pretty good, well-balanced spine apart from that.

#4 Tedesco is good. Keary stars in games but not on a regular basis. They obviously don't rate hooker and plenty of hype around the halfback but I haven't seen it justified yet.

#3 I'd have them higher. At #2.

#2 WTF? Average fullback and 5/8. Hooker and halfback are good but hardly "superstars".

#1 Pretty hard to argue with that.
At the end of the season, I have a feeling we are going to be ranked much higher.
 
I know there has been lively discussions on this forum in regards to this particular player. I have just finished analysing the Sharks game and in particular his performance.

This is the last time I will comment on this particular player. His personal performance was abysmal in my view. His stats show, not only in this game but since he has managed to play 1sts he is not the player we were all hoping he would develop into. If the Dragons as reported are going to offer him a extended contract my hopes of a competitive team in 2025 may be fanciful.

The Sharks 2nd and 3rd tries were directly as a result of their game plan to target Amone. He must have been taking tackling ideas from Bird sticking an arm out like he believes he is playing touch footy.

Stats - Sharks game - 6 runs for 53m, the only other player with less runs and run mtrs? no prizes here, McCullough who made 3 electifying runs from dummy half for 14m. So our alternative playmaker on these stats really isnt an alternative, and as we are all acutely aware there is no danger to the opposition from our dummy half, hence why everything eminates off Hunt, hence why his passing game is predictable or non existent. Tackle busts & line breaks 0, 18 tackles made , 5 missed 27.77% missed. He did have a try assist.

Season - Tackles made - 287, Missed tackles- 72 ranked 5th highest from 441 players , so misses every 4th tackle, however Hunt ranked No.1. Tries - 1, Try Assists- 11 which is his best stat. Avg runs - 7 p.g, Avg mtrs run - 58m, Avg kick mtrs - 44m , 0- 40/20 kicks, Hunt ranked 1st.

So without harping on because he is still young player those stats indicate he has failed to develop into a consistent and creative 1st grade player and whilst our halves combination is Hunt / Amone we cannot be competitive in the future and the club should allow him to test the market, most probably both.
 

Dragons Chris

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I know there has been lively discussions on this forum in regards to this particular player. I have just finished analysing the Sharks game and in particular his performance.

This is the last time I will comment on this particular player. His personal performance was abysmal in my view. His stats show, not only in this game but since he has managed to play 1sts he is not the player we were all hoping he would develop into. If the Dragons as reported are going to offer him a extended contract my hopes of a competitive team in 2025 may be fanciful.

The Sharks 2nd and 3rd tries were directly as a result of their game plan to target Amone. He must have been taking tackling ideas from Bird sticking an arm out like he believes he is playing touch footy.

Stats - Sharks game - 6 runs for 53m, the only other player with less runs and run mtrs? no prizes here, McCullough who made 3 electifying runs from dummy half for 14m. So our alternative playmaker on these stats really isnt an alternative, and as we are all acutely aware there is no danger to the opposition from our dummy half, hence why everything eminates off Hunt, hence why his passing game is predictable or non existent. Tackle busts & line breaks 0, 18 tackles made , 5 missed 27.77% missed. He did have a try assist.

Season - Tackles made - 287, Missed tackles- 72 ranked 5th highest from 441 players , so misses every 4th tackle, however Hunt ranked No.1. Tries - 1, Try Assists- 11 which is his best stat. Avg runs - 7 p.g, Avg mtrs run - 58m, Avg kick mtrs - 44m , 0- 40/20 kicks, Hunt ranked 1st.

So without harping on because he is still young player those stats indicate he has failed to develop into a consistent and creative 1st grade player and whilst our halves combination is Hunt / Amone we cannot be competitive in the future and the club should allow him to test the market, most probably both.
Why would be your last post on this player?
 

RedVHeartbeat

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I watched Amone's performance closely during the replay. That is why I do watch the replay as when you watch the main game you dont have time to pinpoint one player's total contribution. To me our 5/8 is starting to come out of his shell and becoming more comfortable in his position. His defense was more solid, a last ditch diving effort may have saved us six points. Even with his front ons against big forwards he is stopping his man sufficiently for others to aid him. His ball in hand work is on the improve too. That pinpoint cut out lob on the chest of the winger to bring us back into the contest was a sign of his growing confidence and vision. The difference between that and when he seems clueless is because of the space he had to work in on this occasion. Junior will never be a Sterling, Lyons or a Johns but he will not be a total organizing dud either. I still maintain his forte is using his sweet footwork to take on the defense. Heres hoping our new attack coach will see this and encourage him to back himself more next year.
 

Dragons Chris

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I watched Amone's performance closely during the replay. That is why I do watch the replay as when you watch the main game you dont have time to pinpoint one player's total contribution. To me our 5/8 is starting to come out of his shell and becoming more comfortable in his position. His defense was more solid, a last ditch diving effort may have saved us six points. Even with his front ons against big forwards he is stopping his man sufficiently for others to aid him. His ball in hand work is on the improve too. That pinpoint cut out lob on the chest of the winger to bring us back into the contest was a sign of his growing confidence and vision. The difference between that and when he seems clueless is because of the space he had to work in on this occasion. Junior will never be a Sterling, Lyons or a Johns but he will not be a total organizing dud either. I still maintain his forte is using his sweet footwork to take on the defense. Heres hoping our new attack coach will see this and encourage him to back himself more next year.
Hope you're right and actually, I think you are. Remember he only turned 20 this year.
 

RedVHeartbeat

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One of the things our next attack coach has to knuckle down on is for our forwards to produce more second phase play. All too often we are dying with the ball instead of keeping play alive and a second change to dent the defense. I saw two off loads each from JDB and Aaron Woods. I may have missed others but they'd have only been a minimal few. Block Lawrie has to develop an offload to take his game to another level instead of always using his current bulldozing method. Copy the Woods technique, of spinning before the defense has time to wrap up the ball while keeping your arms free for a clean offload. He rarely squeezes out a risky offload.
 
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Morgan

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One of the things our next attack coach has to knuckle down on is for our forwards to produce more second phase play. All too often we are dying with the ball instead of keeping play alive and a second change to dent the defense. I saw two off loads each from JDB and Aaron Woods. I may have missed others but they'd have only been a minimal few. Block Lawrie has to develop an offload to take his game to another level instead of always using his current bulldozing method. Copy the Woods technique, of spinning before the defense has time to wrap up the ball while keeping your arms free for a clean offload. I rarely see him squeezing out a risky offload.
i agree with JoDragon regarding Amone's form this year. I think he is right to be highly critical. But I think with forwards actually going forward and giving Amone more room and time on a regular basis, with a better defensive coach doing a lot of work with him in the off season and just a year older and wiser, I still think Amone can become a very good 5/8.
 

Dragons Chris

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i agree with JoDragon regarding Amone's form this year. I think he is right to be highly critical. But I think with forwards actually going forward and giving Amone more room and time on a regular basis, with a better defensive coach doing a lot of work with him in the off season and just a year older and wiser, I still think Amone can become a very good 5/8.
In the last game I can remember where the forwards were rolling forward consistently, the game against Manly, Amone had his best game this season.

I'd add one more thing he needs, a good head coach to instill confidence.
 

RedV01

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i agree with JoDragon regarding Amone's form this year. I think he is right to be highly critical. But I think with forwards actually going forward and giving Amone more room and time on a regular basis, with a better defensive coach doing a lot of work with him in the off season and just a year older and wiser, I still think Amone can become a very good 5/8.
So he has excuses. Still should have done much better than what he has in fact done. No excuse at all for some of those missed tackles.
 

GCRV

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In the last game I can remember where the forwards were rolling forward consistently, the game against Manly, Amone had his best game this season.

I'd add one more thing he needs, a good head coach to instill confidence.
There was another before that from memory. Same scenario same top shelf game by Amone. He looks every bit a first grade player when he has room to run and test the best of defenses.
As far as this year goes, I've only seen him be "less bad". Like everyone else, I hope he can turn it around.
 

RedVHeartbeat

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No excuse at all for some of those missed tackles.
Check out the comp missed tackles ladder. Plenty of good footy players among the worse tacklers. Defense is just one of the aspects of Amone's game he needs to work on. I dont deny that. Have been saying he is still a work in progress. But there are some good signs beginning to appear. He has just turned 20.. still a kid. Some of you are harsh judges..
 

Morgan

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Check out the comp missed tackles ladder. Plenty of good footy players among the worse tacklers. Defense is just one of the aspects of Amone's game he needs to work on. I dont deny that. Have been saying he is still a work in progress. But there are some good signs beginning to appear. He has just turned 20.. still a kid. Some of you are harsh judges..
Hard markers but no one likes losing. If he and Hunt start engineering wins, everyone will be off their backs.
 
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