Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
It would be hard to judge, or enforce, what "bringing disrepute to club" is. Remember when Todd Carney was sacked by Cronulla? He sued them and he obviously had a strong case because Cronulla settled out of court.
That's also a good point.
Bringing the business (RL and or your employer) into serious disrepute involves misconduct by the employee which directly and adversely affects the employer's reputation because it's incompatible with its public profile, values or is otherwise offensive.

Misconduct - unacceptable or improper behaviour, especially by an employee or professional person.

Spell it out clearly, make it a clause in every contract, which is should already be.
I never thought too much of it until now but maybe the 'no dickhead policy' is the best way forward.

See what happened to Tom Starling yesterday or today? Under your criteria, wouldn't he have been sacked despite being innocent?
 

jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
That's also a good point.

I never thought too much of it until now but maybe the 'no dickhead policy' is the best way forward.

See what happened to Tom Starling yesterday or today? Under your criteria, wouldn't he have been sacked despite being innocent?
No because natural justice has to be done. No action should be taken in regards to alleged serious criminal misconduct until a decision is made in a court of law.
 

Morgan

SGI NSW Cup
No because natural justice has to be done. No action should be taken in regards to alleged serious criminal misconduct until a decision is made in a court of law.
It's a difficult issue. The only thing to do is not sign players with a reputation like Corey Norman and to have a coach who commands respect. Josh Dugan is another who comes to mind. Driving without a license is just plain dumb. Can't sack a player for being stupid.
 
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jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
I agree with your idea but that is even vaguer. What is unacceptable and improper and who decides it?
Any behaviour that is likely to cause harm to the reputation of a club or the game. Any behaviour that breaks the criminal laws of the state. Any behaviour that would be considered by an ordinary person as not being acceptable.
 

jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
It's a difficult issue. The only thing to do is not sign players with a reputation like Corey Norman and to have a coach who commands respect. Josh Dugan is another who comes to mind. Driving without a license is just plain dumb. Can't sack a player for being stupid.
Agree as I said it's a misdemeanour but 3 similar act would in my view identify a certain course of conduct/ behaviour.
 
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Chris M

SGI NSW Cup
It's a difficult issue. The only thing to do is not sign players with a reputation like Corey Norman and to have a coach who commands respect. Josh Dugan is another who comes to mind. Driving without a license is just plain dumb. Can't sack a player for being stupid.
Josh Dugan didn't put a foot wrong off the field in his time with the Dragons.
 

jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
I think really good players can get away with much more than average players.
And therein lies the problem. In my experience justice is supposed to be blind that indicates that everyone is treated equally in the eyes of the law. Well after 39 yrs I can tell you honestly there is a law for the rich and a law for the poor, always has been and forever will be that is just human nature. Discipline, behaviour and ultimately the culture of a group is established using the foundations of fairness and equality, ' These are the rules of the club and team and anybody breaking it will be treated and dealt with equally no matter who you are', then everyone should be on the same page and buy into what you are trying to achieve . Once you start making exceptions then you fall into an undisciplined rabble which causes great rifts between the group. St George is a prime example of how unacceptable behaviour has impacted our club and team culture and lack of discipline. If you don't believe me look at our on field performances since 2012.
 

Eric

Staff
And therein lies the problem. In my experience justice is supposed to be blind that indicates that everyone is treated equally in the eyes of the law. Well after 39 yrs I can tell you honestly there is a law for the rich and a law for the poor, always has been and forever will be that is just human nature. Discipline and culture is established using the foundations of these are the rules and anybody breaking it will be treated and dealt with equally no matter who you are. Once you start making exceptions then you fall into an undisciplined rabble which causes great rifts between the group. St George is a prime example of how unacceptable behaviour has impacted our club and team culture and lack of discipline. If you don't believe me look at our on field performances since 2012.
I know that's in they justice is supposed to be blind but it never has been in practice.

BTW, may I ask your opinion on the top 5 players, in order from 1 best to 5, we have this year? And a short one or two sentences on why you think that is?
I read somewhere, a loss in this St Helens game might knock around the teams confidence.
What's more important? Winning or giving lots of young players, fast outside backs and backrowers and frontrowers, a chance? Hopefully both are possible but if you had to pick one over the other?
 

jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
I read somewhere, a loss in this St Helens game might knock around the teams confidence.
It was me. I understand that it's only a trial game but I must be just too bloody old to understand the culture that is now acceptable. For gods sake we are playing the world club champions and yes it's an ideal opportunity to play fringe players against quality opposition but some of our positional selections leave me aghast. I instilled in my teams once you pull on that jersey you are playing for your club, your team, your team mates, your supporters and yourself, go out there and do your best and if that's not good enough today then be happy with your own performance leave it out on the field. We can deal with any loss as long as we learn and improve and not accept our performance without question. This team will be put to the sword today mark my words unless the opposition come down to our level but I doubt that very much. St Helens are playing for the whole of the English Super League and will not want to lose against a second rate team.
 

jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
I know that's in they justice is supposed to be blind but it never has been in practice.

BTW, may I ask your opinion on the top 5 players, in order from 1 best to 5, we have this year? And a short one or two sentences on why you think that is?

What's more important? Winning or giving lots of young players, fast outside backs and backrowers and frontrowers, a chance? Hopefully both are possible but if you had to pick one over the other?
Top 5, do we have such a thing? Being put on the spot here's my views,

1. Hunt - without him leading us around the paddock at his best we will lose more than we win, experienced and solid player.
2. Lomax - this guy does have ability. If during the off season he has learnt to control his temper and is more selective in his running and passing game he will be our top point scorer this season.
3. Suli - I rate him in attack he's big and strong if he can get a quality passing game going he will be a constant danger, he must improve his defence though
4. JDB - If he is able to revert to his best position at lock he will be a menace both in attack and defence I consider him our best forward.
5. Sua - I liked what I saw last season and he will only improve after 1 season trying to accustom himself with our style. If he can start getting early quality ball and run straight and hard he will be good on the opposite edge to JDB.

I would have loved to put young Sloan in my top 5 but until his on field performances prove me wrong under this coach he is damaged goods in my view.

Unless our depth signings come good Lawrie will be targeted more this season and may not make the same metres
 
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jodragon40

SGI NSW Cup
I know that's in they justice is supposed to be blind but it never has been in practice.

BTW, may I ask your opinion on the top 5 players, in order from 1 best to 5, we have this year? And a short one or two sentences on why you think that is?

What's more important? Winning or giving lots of young players, fast outside backs and backrowers and frontrowers, a chance? Hopefully both are possible but if you had to pick one over the other?
What is important is that you give those fringe young players a chance to shine enthusiasm and personal talent can only take you so far. Mulheisen as a 5/8 to me is bewildering and this game can knock him around if he has a shocker. It's unfair to play him in that position use another young player who specialises in that position.
 

Eric

Staff
Top 5, do we have such a thing? Being put on the spot here's my views,

1. Hunt - without him leading us around the paddock at his best we will lose more than we win, experienced and solid player.
2. Lomax - this guy does have ability. If during the off season he has learnt to control his temper and is more selective in his running and passing game he will be our top point scorer this season.
3. Suli - I rate him in attack he's big and strong if he can get a quality passing game going he will be a constant danger, he must improve his defence though
4. JDB - If he is able to revert to his best position at lock he will be a menace both in attack and defence I consider him our best forward.
5. Sua - I liked what I saw last season and he will only improve after 1 season trying to accustom himself with our style. If he can start getting early quality ball and run straight and hard he will be good on the opposite edge to JDB.

I would have loved to put young Sloan in my top 5 but until his on field performances prove me wrong under this coach he is damaged goods in my view.

Unless our depth signings come good Lawrie will be targeted more this season and may not make the same metres
I like that list. But I'd have JDB at #2.
 

Eric

Staff
What is important is that you give those fringe young players a chance to shine enthusiasm and personal talent can only take you so far. Mulheisen as a 5/8 to me is bewildering and this game can knock him around if he has a shocker. It's unfair to play him in that position use another young player who specialises in that position.
Even worse that having at that time slightly built Sloan on the wing. Like the coach wanted him to play poorly.
 
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